Confirmed: Mel Gibson Welcomes Daughter Lucia

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Mel Gibson became a father for the eighth time on Friday when his girlfriend, musician Oksana Grigorieva, gave birth to a baby girl, PEOPLE confirms.

“This will confirm that Oksana Grigorieva and Mel Gibson welcomed the arrival of a baby girl named Lucia on Friday, Oct. 30, 2009, at an undisclosed hospital in Los Angeles,” says Gibson’s rep, Alan Nierob, confirming earlier reports of the event. No further details were available.

“Everything is great! They couldn’t be happier,” a friend tells PEOPLE. “Everyone’s healthy and thrilled. He loooves it!”

Gibson, 53, was at Grigorieva’s side in Los Angeles until she and the baby went home from the hospital, then flew to New York Sunday to resume shooting The Beaver, costarring Jodie Foster.

On Monday morning, an announcement of the birth was made on the set of the film in White Plains, N.Y. “Everyone sang ‘[For] He’s a Jolly Good Fellow,’ and he blushed,” a member of the film crew told PEOPLE.

Gibson has seven children (six sons and a daughter) with his ex-wife Robyn, while Oksana has a son, Alexander, with her former boyfriend, actor Timothy Dalton.

– Elizabeth Leonard and Kathy Ehrich Dowd

Comments

ZBP on November 2nd, 2009

oh what a cute name!

Rye on November 2nd, 2009

Congrats to them! Mel finally has another little girl after 6 boys! How cute.

ll65 on November 2nd, 2009

Congrat to Mel & Oksana

urbanadventurertales on November 2nd, 2009

Mel has a daughter with his first wife. I’m sad about his marriage ending with his wife. They has such a long marriage and I wonder if this new birth is hard on his children…

Dana on November 2nd, 2009

I love the name Lucia. Beautiful! Congrats to the parents.

Jane on November 2nd, 2009

Pretty name! I hope the baby is ok. I read that Oksana was due in December.

Savanna on November 2nd, 2009

Here comes the next wave of celeb babies. It was quiet there for awhile!

Shawna on November 2nd, 2009

I’m sorry but I cannot offer congratulations on this. He walks out on his wife of THIRTY years and his 7 children to shack up with some young thing and have a new baby. It’s funny how men are able to just walk away from their lives and start all over again when the old life isn’t good enough anymore. I’m happy that the baby is healthy but no longer a fan of this man.

Chris on November 2nd, 2009

Lovely name!

No comment on the parents.

Myrallison on November 2nd, 2009

what are his other children”s names?

Courtney on November 2nd, 2009

congrats to them love the name Lucia seems to be popular lately hopefully she has no Ill effects from being born more than a month early

Lauren on November 2nd, 2009

Gorgeous name and glad the baby’s healthy. Congrats for the parents? Forget it. Hope he shows his daughters the respect he’s denied women in interviews for years.

Mari on November 2nd, 2009

I love the name Lucia.

Mel’s other children – according to one source are – Hannah (born 1980), twins Edward and Christian (born 1982), William (born 1985), Louis (born 1988), Milo (born 1990), and Thomas (born 1999).

Angi on November 2nd, 2009

Shawna, I have to agree!

Brooke on November 2nd, 2009

Love the name. The father on the other hand…no comment.

Alex on November 2nd, 2009

Yeah, I’m not a fan of either of these two at all. But congrats, a baby is always a blessing.

Oh, and is it just me, or does the mother looks like Octomum?

Lacey on November 2nd, 2009

Yay, Octo-Mel!

Suzie on November 2nd, 2009

If I was his other daughter, I’d be pissed off. She was daddy’s only little girl for almost 30 years and now she’s not. I’m my dad’s only daughter and have multiple brothers, just like her. If my dad ended up having a daughter with another woman I’d be really peeved.

Julie on November 2nd, 2009

I totally agree with Shawna.

melissa on November 2nd, 2009

Mels wife left him THREE years ago, should he not have moved on?

Anyways congrats to them. I hope the baby is healthy since she is so early.

Jennifer on November 2nd, 2009

In complete agreement w/Shawna.

Liliana on November 2nd, 2009

Despite one’s feelings towards the parents, a baby is a blessing. Lucia is a lovely name and I hope she’s doing well since it was reported that she wasn’t due for another month or so.

Ashleigh on November 2nd, 2009

Mel’s daughter is a grown woman with children of her own. I doubt she’d be petty enough to throw a fit because she’s not the only girl in the family anymore. And it’s not the new baby’s fault to begin with.

Tina. on November 2nd, 2009

thats a nice name

JM on November 2nd, 2009

not a fan of this man at all, though that is more due to his general attitude and anti-semitism than the fact that he has a new family. he just seems like a pretty disgusting man in general if you ask me.

BUT that is not this little girl’s fault. she is an innocent child and deserves the respect all the other babies here get. and as much as i don’t like mel, that comment about being pissed if your dad had another daughter seems really weird to me why only if he had a daughter? it’s not as if people can choose whether or not they have a boy or girl and in any case, wouldn’t that mean that your relationship with your dad is pretty insecure if you think that the fact that he has more than one daughter now could threaten it? very weird feelings for an adult to have if you ask me…

Gracie on November 2nd, 2009

people get divorced. it happens and just b/c one partner decides they want to leave a relationship and enter into a new one doesn’t mean that person is bad or unethical.

as i don’t know Mel Gibson personally, I have no idea about that entire saga.

as for the age gap–who cares as long as they are consenting adults and are sensitive to the children in the transition.

cute baby name btw.

Rye on November 2nd, 2009

Suzie…Your comment is REALLY immature. Are you being serious???

Asha on November 2nd, 2009

I know Mel is a controversial celebrity but I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE him!! I think he’s an amazing person and talent. His new daughter is one lucky girl!

Gracie on November 2nd, 2009

I don’t know too much about that media thing where Mel Gibson was pulled over for DUI and went on a drunken anti-jewish rant(sounded pretty mean)….but don’t all those Hebrew based, monotheistic religions encourage (even on a sub conscious level) that one religion is better than the other…?

I know all the middle eastern religions stem from Judaism, but to me they are all basically the same, yet so much blood shed, division, ego and hatred between one religious group to another (Mel Gibson’s catholicism vs judaism) etc etc.

Sad state of affairs. I know there is a name for being anti-jewish (anti semitism) but is there a specific name for being anti-christian or anti-muslim that invokes such outrage as anti-sematism does in the USA?? Anti-muslim sentiments are rife in many parts of the US and world but what is the name for this? Does anyone know?

Thanks to anyone who knows as this topic is interesting in many ways.

martina on November 2nd, 2009

Ugly situation, but hopefully a healthy beautiful baby girl – and a gorgeous name.

Stella Bella on November 2nd, 2009

Lucia is a name that’s going straight to the top of the charts lately! Lots of celebs picking it.
Beautiful name. No comment on the parents.

J on November 2nd, 2009

I agree with Gracie.

Simone on November 2nd, 2009

Congratulations,I hope the lil girl is healthy

Well its clear she likes older man Timothy Dalton is over 60 and Mr.Gibson is close to it….one thing is for certain none of her children will ever starve or be poor…wise choices

On another website someone made a Octomom comment as well!

genegirl on November 2nd, 2009

@Gracie. You don’t know what you are talking about.

At any rate, I wasn’t offended by Mel’s anti-semitism (I am Jewish), it just helped me appreciate his limitations. I am sure that he is just as deserving of happiness as the next person and I am sure this will be a beautiful baby whom I look forward to seeing.

Niko on November 2nd, 2009

Congratulations to Mel and Oksana. Welcome to the world, Lucia. I hope people will eventually forgive Mr. Gibson for the messed up things he said and did in the past. He has sincerely apologized for the terrible mistakes he made. Hopefully, he won’t repeat them.

Mommyof3 on November 2nd, 2009

I’m glad to hear that baby is well, and they choose a very pretty name for her.
As for the parents, that pic does Mom no justice at all and for Dad…well OCTOMEL suits him just fancy!!!

Bancie1031 on November 2nd, 2009

Congratulations to Mel and Oksana Grigorieva …… bet their both glad to have a daughter …… especially since he already has 6 son LOL …… love her name btw.

Gracie on November 2nd, 2009

genegirl-as to not knowing what I am talking about, I would hope you would please explain this comment in terms of what I said specifically??

I really only made factual comments, apart from implying I do not believe in any of the monotheistic religions.

I interpret from your comment that I may have annoyed or offended you, but I don’t really see how one could glean from what I wrote that I knew nothing of what I was talking about?

Just a healthy and normal query, as it stands. Curious.

Many ppl may feel the same or want to question some things like this, but feel a bit intimidated to even comment on this b’c “how dare anyone question it” or you shall be deemed mean, ignorant or something along these lines…(and it is to the absolute contrary here)or that one should really say nothing unless they wholeheartedly agree with that religion…hmmmm

Daisy1 on November 2nd, 2009

How can people be sp petty as to not congratulate new parents on a healthy new little girl. Whatever you think of Mel is irrelevant, didn’t have to read or comment if all you are going to do is bash them.
Depsite what went on before I hope nothing but the best for this WHOLE family.

urbanadventurertales on November 2nd, 2009

For Mel being sooo committed to the Catholic church (which I absolutely LOVED his movie The Passion), I’m very saddened to see that he is blatantly committing adultery with this woman. I’m glad their baby is healthy and like the name, but kind of disgusted with Mel at this point.

Blackrose on November 2nd, 2009

urbanadventurertales i totally agree with u..

Amanda on November 2nd, 2009

@ Gracie

1. “but don’t all those Hebrew based, monotheistic religions encourage (even on a sub conscious level) that one religion is better than the other…?”

I wouldn’t necessarily word it that way, but, to a degree, yes. Both the Islamic and Christian faiths teach that they are the only path to God. However, not all denominations in the Christian religion teach that Christ is the only path to God (generally, only the “conservative” denominations teach that Christ is the only way). The Jewish faith of the Old Testament also claims that it is the unique path to God, but Judaism is now such a diverse religion (Orthodox, Reform, Conservative, Zionist, etc.) that to lump all Jewish people into one category is impossible.

2. “I know all the middle eastern religions stem from Judaism, but to me they are all basically the same, yet so much blood shed, division, ego and hatred between one religious group to another (Mel Gibson’s catholicism vs judaism) etc etc.”

All 3 religions stem from the Old Testament teachings of the Jewish people.

The Muslim religion respects the Old and New Testaments as sacred writings, but they believe that only the Qur’an is the true, unaltered revelation of God.

The Christian religion accepts the Old and New Testament as the revelation of God, but, as with the above question, only the “conservative” denominations in the religion believe and teach that the Bible is the inerrrant revelation of God.

(Contemporary) Judaism and the Jewish religion of the Old Testament, however, are not the same thing. The Jewish faith of the OT was based on the covenant system (i.e. Abrahamic covenant), the Law of Moses and the sacrificial system. Judaism today is a very diverse religion with a broad range of practices and beliefs. All 3 of the major branches of Judaism find their roots in the OT, but not all 3 branches adhere to the teachings and practices of the OT (and none practice the sacrificial system, as the Temple was destroyed in AD 70 during the fall of Rome).

3. “Sad state of affairs. I know there is a name for being anti-jewish (anti semitism) but is there a specific name for being anti-christian or anti-muslim that invokes such outrage as anti-sematism does in the USA?? Anti-muslim sentiments are rife in many parts of the US and world but what is the name for this? Does anyone know?”

There is no word for anti-Muslim or anti-Christian hatred. Christians simply refer to those who persecute us as our “persecutors”. I do not know what Muslims refer to their persecutors as.

I hope this helps you understand the 3 major monotheistic religions a bit better. If I am in error on any of these points, anyone can feel free to correct me!

Kate on November 2nd, 2009

Thinking one is religion is right doesn’t make one anti-semitic. Hatred of Jews does. Saying that they were responsible for all the wars is pretty hateful and inaccurate.

Sophie on November 2nd, 2009

Gracie- I would guess that the name for anti muslim/Islam sentiments would also fall under anti-semitism because Arabic is a semitic language, its a Semitic religion (hailing of course from the middle East which georaphically where Semitic Languages and people orginate from). Hope that helped.

As for Mel Gibson- I have very little respect or time for him. He’s a racist and sexist- but it doesn’t mean i don’t enjoy some of his movies. I’ll congratulate the couple on their little girl and wish them the best of luck with her- and leave it at that.

Sophie on November 2nd, 2009

(i meant to add) that even though you could call anti- muslim feeling anti- semitism people generally don’t. I don’t think it has a special name.

Chris R on November 2nd, 2009

His antisemitism was taught to him by his church, much the same way others are taught to hate Muslims. We are all pretty much guilty.

He who is without sin…

I wish their baby a good, happy life. Lucia is a lovely name.

Jessica on November 2nd, 2009

About the comments on Catholicism and the church, I was raised Catholic, so I have a pretty strong opinion about this. I don’t feel the church, as an institution, has a place in our lives to say whether we can or cannot live our lives and be happy as we choose to be. If Mel Gibson chooses to divorce his wife, that’s his and his spouse’s decision. They were separated for 3 years before he announced he was dating another woman, and only after his wife filed for divorce. They made a mutual decision for the benefit of their children to live separate lives. And so they did.

I’ve always had a profound irritation with the Catholic Church- both of my parents, who were each married once before, are devoted Catholics, but they cannot receive communion because they divorced their previous spouses, and the church doesn’t recognize divorce. It doesn’t matter that my parents have now been happily married for 26 years; the church doesn’t recognize their marriage. When my mother told the priest she wanted to divorce her first husband (and my biological father) he told her she would go to hell. Did it matter that her husband had already been cheating on her while she was pregnant with me or that he was occasionally abusive? Did that play a role in the priest’s eyes on his eternal damnation? Apparently not. It was my mother’s soul that was put at risk because she sought a divorce. And she was told she could never marry again in the church; her marriage would never be recognized in the eyes of God.

We must keep in mind, as we wield the weapon of prejudice and superiority, that the doctrines of the church were written by man, according to his values, not God’s. Man constantly speaks for God, while God has had no say in the matter. Wars have been fought over this; it’s ridiculous.

Sheri on November 2nd, 2009

Very pretty, feminine name ~ but is it pronounced “lu-chee-ah” or “lu-see-a”?? She will probably be called “Luci” ~ I hope she is doing well ~ I know she was born quite prematurely. I was born seven weeks premature and only weighed 3 pounds ~ but was still born healthy God bless their new baby!

Jessi on November 2nd, 2009

Congratulations to them!

happyokie on November 2nd, 2009

So much hate on such an un-related topic!! This story is about the birth of a little girl. She is the focus of the story, not the parents. I will pray for blessings to be given to the baby. Hopefully, the parents understand what a blessing they have been given. By the way, I am only speaking from my heart. We could all be dead later today, so why waste time hating anyone?? May God (or whichever higher being you worship) bless you always!!

JM on November 2nd, 2009

Gracie, and to all those people who said there wasn’t a term for anti-muslim hatred, it is commonly referred to as Islamophobia. and it’s true that his anti-semitic remarks were just as disgusting as some people’s comments about muslims. not to mention the hate that is heaped on atheists. it seems like they are the only group who it is still “politically correct” for many people to criticise.

kris on November 2nd, 2009

Is it likely the baby was that premature if she was born Fri and released on Sun?

Very pretty name.

Erika on November 2nd, 2009

Congrats to them, Lucia is a beautiful name!!

I don’t like all of the negative comments about his faith (I am Catholic too, and so many people look down on us, It seems like there’s so much hatred against us ), however, I don’t like what Mel did, but that has nothing to do with his religion. But this shouldn’t be about their pasts, this should be about the birth of a beautiful baby girl!

I♥CBB on November 2nd, 2009

I don’t really care about these two. Mel’s “girlfriend” has had two babies with two different fathers and has never been married. That in itself says a lot about her character. That being said even though Mel was married he and his wife had been separated for years before he began his relationship with Oksana. So please don’t be too hard on him because he’s human just as we all are.

JM on November 2nd, 2009

I<3CBB what exactly does that say about her character? would have been better if she had been married twice and still had two babies by two different fathers? i fail to see the difference…

erika, i don't think the negativity is directed at catholics as individuals (ie not all catholics) i think it's more the religion itself that is perceived very negatively and certainly the catholic church and the pope are extremely negative. but i know many many catholics who are lovely people and i would not say a word against them.

Bugs on November 2nd, 2009

Wow im so thrilled they have a girl! Congrats to Mel! As for the rant on religion here, I’m Catholic myself and for that i know it’s not my business to judge whatever he does in his personal life. I’m not perfect either.

Liliana on November 2nd, 2009

I<3CBB, I have two children from two different fathers and I've never been married. Care to elaborate on what type of person I am?

Sarah M. on November 2nd, 2009

I would pronounce it ‘Lu-sha’. As to Mel’s past, I’m not going to judge him. He’s human, therefore he’s fallible and will make mistakes. We just need to learn from them! Noone is perfect.

Congrats to the whole family! Beautiful name.

I♥CBB on November 2nd, 2009

I’m sorry. I do not mean to offend anyone.
JM-It is different if you’ve been married. It’s saying that you had enough respect for yourself to get married instead of bringing babies into the world and you aren’t married.
Lilliana-I’m not sure if you are religious but Mel has professed to being a devout Catholic. They believe in marriage before children as do I. I feel she doesn’t respect herself in the fact that she has two children with two different men (one who was married). It just speaks volumes about her character (which isn’t a very good one).

Erika on November 2nd, 2009

JM- how is the Church or the pope negative?? Pope John Paul II was a wonderful person, he loved those of all religions, ESPECIALLY us Catholics and made peace with several others throughtout the world. Relationships with other religions improved during his time. Benedict the 16th has not done as much but is certainly not a hateful person. I don’t understand the church is hateful, please explain that. I attend church weekly, and they are certainly nothing but loving towards me! I don’t understand how they are hateful.

Anyway, this has nothing to do with Mel Gibson, but I do get offended when people criticize Christians.

Jurnee on November 2nd, 2009

A sweet baby is always an innocent and beautiful life. Blessings to her!!

However, Mel Gibson is a hypocrite of the highest order- a drinker, a hate-monger and an adulterer. It is unfortunate that he created a warped, historically inaccurate film such as The Last Temptation of Christ and presented it as fact (no matter how visually stunning the film may be considered), and at the same time, has failed quite miserably to live up to his own sanctimonious standards about morals and behavior. He has made an utter fool of himself IMO.

Liliana on November 2nd, 2009

I have complete respect for myself. Just because I have children and am not married doesn’t mean otherwise.

You may interpret me however you want but I’m proud of what I’ve accomplished in my life and I love my children immensely. Me not being married doesn’t change a thing.

Rach on November 2nd, 2009

Wow..ouch..some of these comments. I can never ever get over how quickly people fall for gossip and what they see on the news, as if that is all that goes on in these people lives. I find it hilarious how the world has completely moved on from the Pitt-Anniston-Jolie saga so fast and now everyone loves Brad and Angie, but people like Mel and Oksana are hated. Even though it has been confirmed that Mel and his wife had been separated and Oksana came along after, as opposed to the whole Brad,Angie being married thing..to this day I still can’t watch Mr and Mrs Smith.

Shawna – Wow, you sound angry. I completely understand what you are saying, it seems as if they just move on. You know what though, we all move on.

Suzie – I agree with Ashleigh.I really hope you are young,and by young, I mean teenager. I hope Mel’s 29 year old daughter is not being infantile and petty because she is no longer “daddy’s little girl”. I am an only daughter and if my parents split and one had another girl, I would be excited to have a little sister, esp since I am at an age (25) where I could spoil her and give her the things I didn’t have.

Gracie and Chris R- I agree. I was raised as a Pentecostal Christian…and sometimes people can get pretty arrogant to the point that it is rude in a “You aren’t pentecostal so you are going to hell” attitude. And that is not even to people of other religions…I mean, don’t even get my mother started on Catholics and Jehovah witnesses.It’s not only Mel that does it.. I am no way at all defending it, i’m saying he is not alone,so don’t play innocent because we are all prejudiced to some extent. Plus I know many Christians that dislike Jews because of their stance on Jesus esp. My mom has much against the Catholic stance esp for the reasons brought up by Jessica.

Daisy1- Amen and thank you for showing people how it should be done.

I<3CBB- That is so rude. I can just imagine how many single moms just got offended by your comments. The fact that she wasn't married and had two kids makes her beneath you in some way or blame it on religion ?? This is what annoys me with people, believe what you want, just don't impose it on other people. Not everyone shares your beliefs and not everyone lives by them, even your own. And the comment about JM being married because she had enough respect for herself instead of having out of wedlock babies..so everyone else you are calling their kids bastards and telling them that they have no self respect ? That is just disgusting… whatever happened to a Christ-like love..

CBB- I can't believe you mentioned the divorce situation also but you never mentioned anything about his children, like their names,ages etc.

Jen on November 2nd, 2009

Congrats to Mel and Oksana on baby Lucia. On him shacking up with a young thing, she aint that young. Mels probably had affairs before and this one just became public because of the pregnancy, yes he left his wife but he still is very much apart of his childrens life. Even though they arent together and Mel has a new family he would still be there for his other children. Regardless of what he does in his ‘private life’ he is an amazing actor.

Perigee on November 2nd, 2009

The issue isn’t that MG is Catholic, it is that he espouses a very strict, odd, pre-vatican II version of Catholicism (he has his own church) and presents himself to the public as really living certain very traditional values; yet is the sort of guy who gets drunk, and while drunk, becomes racist and sexist and belligerent. And the type of guy who knocks up a woman not his wife while still legally bound to his estranged wife. The fact that MG and Robin were estranged does not make his actions respectable, at least from a religious perspective. His behavior makes us Catholics, particularly those of us who are open about our observances, look like idiots.

As a Catholic, I am not offended by people attacking MG for his hypocrisy, and how his hypocrisy plays into his religious piety. That says nothing about my church, the Roman Catholic Church following the dictates of the Pope and the Holy See. The values my church teaches me are nothing like the way MG has conducted himself for the last few years.

The baby is blessing, all babies are. I hope that she is very healthy and not too premature. I hope that MG thinks about this innocent girl he needs to be a role model for, and is aware of how he failed his first seven kids by not living what he claimed to believe.

But yeah, as a Catholic, I have nothing but hope for Lucia, and nothing but pity for MG. I am not offended by people’s comments about Catholics based on MG’s actions, I just assume that the person making the comment knows very little about how most American Roman Catholics live their quiet, not racist or sexist or belligerent or hypocritical lives.

Torre on November 2nd, 2009

I to hope that little Miss Lucia is healthy and happy. If I’m not mistaken… didn’t Mel’s wife finally separate from him 3 years ago because of his many years of boozing and cheating. Even though she is the one who finally filed for divorce… he still should have waited until it was final before he started a new family.

I wonder if Mel or his dad will Christin the child in their “HOLY CHURCH”, seeing as they’re both such DEVOUT Catholics and all!

Gracie on November 2nd, 2009

I agree JM–it seems that the only group ppl may feel comfortable or bold enough to criticise or comment upon on is atheism. That was spot on. And for this, it tends to make ppl who aren’t of the monotheistic persuasion feel a bit….frustrated perhaps?

For atheism doesn’t translate to no belief or emptiness.

I am not atheist but what you could call pantheist. The monotheistic religion/s (the original one Judaism and the 2 branches of it-Christianity and Islam)have caused much pain and blood shed b/c at least some of the doctrines makes this somewhat inevitable. Doesn’t it? Is this not a somewhat common sense point excluding some countering doctrines that state wonderful things too?

However, to many ppl here, and overall, I am mostly “ignorant” to the specific doctrines of any Hebrew religion. My mother’s family are Latter Day Saints, and as a child I have had some exposure to this church, being baptised as a LDS. My mother is not religious anymore but what you would call spiritual (but I am not saying the two are mutually exclusive!).

Overall, I still believe Christianity, Judaism and Islam are of the same basic broader group, with some differences of course. I think those religious groups that resemble one another are more likely to fight (human nature); at least more so than say- a polytheistic religion vs a monotheistic one.

This is why in many ways, Christians, Jews and Muslims historically, and today, fight one another. They are so similar in a broader sense. Is this so offensive? Yet I always see a member of one of these groups always seeking to distinguish them self with such passion from the other 2. And of course there are differenes; even one as non- religious and admittedly uninformed in one of the above religions, know this.

I just wanted to make the point that it seems that anti-semtism (in the US anyhow) gets a stronger negative reaction than anti – christian or anti- muslim sentiment when all three religious groups have suffered equally in history (and are yet quite similar).

Although I am not religious, I am what I call myself ‘spiritual’ and when I make any criticism of a religious organisation, I am not trying to offend and ‘individual’. It is so hard not to though of course, as one’s religion is deeply personal. So even though I try to keep it as a political or social comment, it unfortunately creeps into personal territory.

For the record, I thought Mel Gibson was very very wrong for sprouting what he did. But my point is just a tangent and more about monotheism and how the 3 are always fighting!!

Chris on November 3rd, 2009

Mel needs to reflect more on his spiritual life and realize he is representing more then just himself here. He is representing his religion. Unfortunately people judge others by there political/religious beliefs, and assume that everyone is the same. He had not have needed to jump into bed with another woman. It is not for me to say that he is not forgiven for past sins, but this relationship stinks. He’s thinking with the wrong head.

deedee on November 3rd, 2009

Cute name. Congrats
Lots of discusssion—-but why hasn’t anyone commented on the fact that he left the next day? I would have KILLED my husband if he left that soon after a birth. No movie is more important.

I♥CBB on November 3rd, 2009

Rach-Please don’t lecture me about Christian values or love. I go by what the Bible says. As far as me not sharing my opinion that’s what a msg board is all about. If you don’t like my comments don’t read them. That takes care of your thoughts and opinions on my thoughts and opinions.

SAR on November 3rd, 2009

We don’t pick our parents. I hope Lucia is healthy regardless of how I feel toward her father and mother.

Mel’s youngest son is 10…I bet he’s happy to have a little sister.

Mel’s ex Robyn is surely going to get a hefty divorce settlement from him, so she’s going to be just fine, monetarily.

genegirl on November 3rd, 2009

@Gracie

your generalizations lead me to believe that you don’t know any Jewish people. There are many ways of practicing a faith and, additionally, there is an aspect of some religions that is akin to ethnicity (for instance, even though I am not religious and do not believe in god, I still consider myself Jewish).

I really don’t know if there is a stronger public reaction (negative) to anti-Jewish vs. other ignorant statements about other’s religions. Has this been studied? It is possible, but I don’t know that it helps the situation. Making generalizations without data just makes more problems.

CelebBabyLover on November 3rd, 2009

Rach- I think the big difference is that it’s obvious that Mel techincally (I say “techincally, because they’d been seperated for three years already, but still legally married) cheated on his wife as he now has a baby with Oksana.

By contrast, Angie, Brad, and even Jennifer have mainted that that there was no cheating involved there. Heck, even Courtney Cox-Arquette, Jennifer’s best friend, is on record saying that she doesn’t believe that Brad cheated on Jen with Angie, or any woman for that matter. Granted, just because they said that doesn’t make it true.

However, first of all I choose to believe the actual people involved over the tabs, and we really have no evidence that they aren’t being truthful when they say there was no cheating involved (yes, Angie and Brad have admitted to falling love while filming MMS…but Brad in particular has made it clear that they did not act on those feelings until after Jennifer had filed for divorce).

All of that said, I completely agree that Mel and Oksana don’t deserve all the hatered being thrown at them. Please don’t think I’m condoning adultery, because I’m not. In fact, I very strongly disagree with ANY type of premarital sex. However, what’s done is done, and there are much, much worse things that Mel and Oksana could be doing than having babies together!

Anyway, as for the baby…I love the name Lucia, and I actually don’t think she was that premature (at any rate, I’m guessing she’s healthy as the post indicates that she and Oksana were home by Sunday, just two days after her birth). Oksana seems to be a very private person (other than that one picture that really fueled the pregnancy rumors, I don’t recall seeing any pictures of her during her pregnancy, and she only spoke about it once), and Mel seems rather private too.

Therefore, I’m guessing they may have done what a lot of celebs do and fudged the due date a bit. It’s very possible that Lucia was actually due the middle or end of this month, rather than in December. Also, did Mel or Oksana actually ever give a due date? If not, I’m guessing the media just guessed wrong!

Allegra on November 3rd, 2009

Congratulations! It’s a gorgeous name for what I’m sure is a very loved little girl. Does anyone know if it’s pronounced Loo-see-ah or Loo-chee-ah?

JM on November 3rd, 2009

I<3CBB, nope still failing to see the logic there. you think being married says anything more about how committed you are to the person? why are there such high divorce rates? that is just ridiculous. i mean, what about gay people who can't get married? are they less committed to each other? and would you say that anyone who isn't married to each is less committed than a couple who is? because if so then there is a significant flaw in your logic.

erika, you are kidding me right? the pope (both past and present) said horrible, hateful things about gay people and muslims. not to mention they both strongly strongly discouraged the use of condoms, including on their visits to africa. it is partly this belief that contributes to the spread of AIDS. seriously you can look up some of the hateful things that Pope John Paul said, it doesn't take much searching. but unless you are catholic, he was a hateful, spiteful man. just because he did some good things it doesn't cancel out some of the great things he did.
as i said, many catholics (usually those who aren't as strongly tied to their faith) i know are lovely lovely people. but catholicism itself traditionally is rather sexist and homophobic and has some very bizarre views if you ask me.

gracie, i completely agree. people of the larger religions can get up in arms about anything that is said that is remotely blasphemous (for the record i don't think there is anything wrong with blasphemy) and in the same breath criticise those horrible and amoral atheists. i have heard people say that atheism is no different to satanism. because if you don't believe in God then you surely MUST believe in the devil. that's the ONLY alternative.
i'm with you Gracie, too much bloodshed in those religions for me to be able to respect them as my doctrine.

Erika on November 3rd, 2009

JM- I don’t think it’s that the pope was hateful when he spoke out against gay marriage. We have different views, and just because we don’t believe in or support something, doesn’t make us hateful people. I am not hateful towards gay people, but I support the church in their reasons to not allow it. And like I said, I have felt nothing but love when I have seen the pope speak or have been to church. As for the birth control issue, while I don’t agree with all they say, once again, the church believes every child is a blessing and they don’t want to prevent any from entering the world. Again, I don’t agree with this, and I don’t follow everything the church does, but you can’t explain a religion that is 2000 years old to just change their views. But you have to expect a pope to completely abide to the Church’s rules, of course their not going to like gay marriage or birth control, and as a Catholic, John Paul II was clearly a wonderful person. I am not trying to fight, but I hate when people insult my religion.

BTW I googled hateful John Paul quotes, and found nothing. If you googled his name, only positive things come up.

JM on November 3rd, 2009

i don’t get it. it is not hateful to speak out against homosexuality? how is it any different to speaking out against someone who is of a different race? if he had said that he didn’t think black people should be allowed to marry you wouldn’t be saying “well he just has a different opinion”. that’s racist. and to speak out against homosexuality is homophobic. and i don’t understand this helplessness “well it’s a 2000 year old religion this is how it’s always been so this is how we have to do it”. why? says who? why not try and move with the times, become accepting of people who are different to you and say, maybe they got it wrong do we really need to hate people just because they have a different sexual orientation? (not to mention things they say about muslims)

my mum has worked with AIDS and HIV patients including people in africa, for a very very long time, and believe me, the Pope and the catholic church have a huge influence on the spread of HIV in africa and they know it. but they do nothing about it, in fact that continue to peddle their rubbish about condoms and such thus condemning more and more people to this dreadful illness.

like i said, this does not refer to all catholics, but to me, the catholic religion itself (speaking as someone who grew up in a catholic country) has a lot to answer for.

urbanadventurertales on November 3rd, 2009

Jurnee- what do you mean The Passion was historically inaccurate. For the most part, scholars agree that it was very accurate.

And CBB- I think you’re being a bit judgemental of Oksana, not knowing a thing about her. We don’t know what circumstances brought about her other children and I don’t believe she “stole” Mel away from his wife (they were separated before he began this relationship). However, I do think Mel is committing adultery which is wrong.

Ashleigh on November 3rd, 2009

Well I<3CBB, you're entitled to your own opinion but blatantly criticizing others is rude. You can believe in the importance of marriage all you want and that's absolutely fine but don't criticize others who don't have the same view.

Also, saying you know anything about Oksana or any unwed mother's character is absolutely ridiculous. Bottom line, you don't so stop passing judgement.

Erika on November 3rd, 2009

Well like I said, I am not against gay people, but our belief is that marriage is between a man and a woman. Saying black people can’t marry is totally different, that does not challenge the definition of marriage, that IS just plain racist. Myself personally, I am for civil unions, as are many other Christians.

As for the spread of AIDS, I know it’s devestating, and I think it’s wonderful that your mother helps them, but believe me, I know plenty of Christians who also do their part. But as far as I know, they don’t say you can’t use condoms, they discourage them. People can still use them. I’m not saying it’s necessarily right, what they say, I just wouldn’t qualify it as a hateful religion!

And just for the record, I’m not for everything the church does. I personally believe priests and nuns should be allowed to marry, and other things should be a little different as well.

Lauren on November 3rd, 2009

As a Catholic, I feel the need to expand on earlier statements and make a clarification regarding Mel’s beliefs. Mel is what is known as a Traditionalist Catholic. This is a group that makes up a miniscule portion of the Catholic international population and abides by Church teachings prior to Vatican Two, a doctrine which liberalized the Catholic Church to a large degree. Traditionalist Catholics believe masses should still be said in Latin, wear mantillas (handkerchiefs) to Mass, and generally hold beliefs that, in this day in age, are out of touch with the modern perspective in virtually every way. I speak from experience in the sense that I know a Traditionalist Catholic and, suffice to say, while she presents as a nice enough person, her personal views and the way she chooses to express them make her a virtual social outcast. I have personally stopped speaking to her over some disgusting comments she has made regarding homosexuality and and other topics. And several other Catholics I know have done the same.

Point being, Mel is a religious extremist and hypocrite in the worst possible way, and his views do not reflect the modern Catholic perspective in any way shape or form. Period.

Gracie on November 3rd, 2009

I am not against an individual of a monothesitic persuasion but I don’t agree overall with monotheism per se. I believe it creates hate and division. We don’t need it for morals, love, peace, kindness etc. Humanitarianism clearly can achieve all these wonderful things without a religion being the one to try to achieve this by claiming they know the real truth and for those who don’t join them shall suffer…?

Note that the USA was founded as secular (yes, believe it or not) but nowadays it is the most religious developed nation in the world. England was founded on religion but is not near as religious/church declaring as the USA.

I think there are many factors as to why, but note this interesting correlation–for those countries that have strong social welfare policies (eg Switzerland, Australia) religion is less practiced (or atleast declared to be practiced-the 2 can be different!!). My thoughts on this are for places where there is less social welfare, religion becomes a form of security..people join churches for social security reasons, to make friends, feel a part of a community, as well as simply for faith reasons. The latter is sometimes not the main reason.

It is a myriad topic really….

However I wholeheartedly believe monotheism is ultimately bad for the world. History clearly shows this. Currently this is shown all over the world.

I thought what JM said about a christian saying things against a person who is homosexual where a christian may claim to be perfectly fine and backed by the bible (and therefore ethical and right for a christian to think and say) is what can be called thinking that leads to hate and possible blood shed.

Homosexual people make up about 10% of the pop and who cares what sexual orientation they are or who they fall in love with. They are only living their own life and not enforcing their ideas or preferences on any one!

I might qualify this with that I am well aware there are many christians and other monotheistic faiths that do not discriminate against homosexuals, but I am just speaking about some specific religions that DO teach this form of division.

Genegirl–true, I don’t know that many jewish ppl. However my husband is a physicist and he works with many jewish people, and his very wonderful boss and wife are Jewish (where we have had a friday dinner with them where our son DAVID wore a jewish hat(have forgotten the proper term) b/c it was a religious thing they do every friday (sorry, have forgotten the name for it!)..and as a little girl, I used to think jewish boys were cute.

But overall I don’t know a great deal about the jewish religion and culture (b/c I know cultural elements are very strong here, and some identify as jewish without actually believing in the religious doctrines)…so of course in the finer points I will be ignorant.

However having lived in the US for almost 7 years now, I note there seems to be more neg reactions to anti-sematism over anti-christian or anti-muslim sentiments. I am only saying what I have observed.

By the way, my husband’s family are strong catholic. He is not religious nowadays and feels much the same about me as monotheism.

I♥CBB on November 3rd, 2009

JM-you see a flaw in my logic and I see a flaw in yours. It is a well known fact that people look at women who have been married and divorced differently than women who have never been married when both have children. If you don’t believe me look it up.
Ashleigh-The proof is in the pudding. She has two children. Never been married. She’s too old to continue having children out of wedlock. It goes against the Bible and with Mel being a “devout Catholic” they frown upon this behavior. Now, I don’t knock all single mothers. Halle Berry is a single mother but that is her choice.She went through two awful divorces and she has stated she will never get married again and personally I don’t blame her. Angelina Jolie has three kids with Brad and they aren’t married but she’s been married twice and it didn’t work out. Homosexuality is a different topic. Gay couples who are not married but have children ususally don’t marry because they aren’t legally allowed to do so. Oksana can get married I’m guessing she’s choosing not too or Mel doesn’t want to marry her. Either way she is now a single mother with two children and two baby daddy’s.

Gracie on November 3rd, 2009

Rules/morals of the bible can’t be argued as it is just circular logic. You can’t argue with a bible follower just like you can’t argue with a non-follower of the doctrines.

Can I add that just b/c there is a societal, majority way of thinking of the day doesn’t mean it is inherently right. Look at slavery in the USA-as unethically gross and evil as that was, in it’s day, many, what were considered in the day ‘up standing folk’ supported it….

In Iceland (I believe) single or unmarried mothers are not discriminate against as they are in the USA or other such countries.

The Bible is a book that clearly leads to discrimination, which leads to division…a slippery slope most of the time and manifesting itself in different degrees of prejudice depending on the church and the individual.

Uzi on November 3rd, 2009

“…ex-wife Robyn…?” I haven’t read or heard anything about the divorce being finalized. So technically Oksana is still Mel’s mistress, not girlfriend. Also, those of us who’ve been following this scandal since it broke don’t believe the baby was born early, we believe the couple lied about the due date. Oksana told an interviewer she was due in December, but she also said she didn’t know the baby’s sex, contradicting a June report in a London paper that she’d told friends it was a girl. And, in the “Date of Separation” section of Robyn’s divorce filing she noted “to be determined,” putting into question Mel’s three year separation claim. There’s a lot of “spin” being done by Mel’s PR people to try to cover up the fact that his and Oksana’s affair and her pregnancy destroyed a 29 year marriage and the family of seven children.

Mishelle on November 3rd, 2009

Lauren: I have to commend you and your brillant comment. FINALLY some sense was thrown into the conversation. What have we learned since 9/11/01- Nothing? All of you who spout your hateful comments/ideas/ideologies towards a person based soley on one’s religious views are nothing more than religious zaelots/racists/hateful/spiteful… We ALL have differeing views/opinions/religious affiliations, but to not have an open mind and be able to have a civilized debate/dialouge with one another is exactly the sort of closed mindeness that led to the tragedy afflicted on us on 9/11/01. Instead of mocking/belittiling(? sp)/desparging one another based solely on differing views/opinions why not try to look at things from a different point of view and be open to being open. Unless a religion is blatantly preaching hate and the destruction of other’s- who really cares what a person’s belief system is- if it works for them, then so be it- Why should his life/lifestyle affect all of you to the level that it has without even personally knowing the man? Just because he belongs to a specific population of being “catholic”- to lump all other “catholics” in that same boat is unbelievably ignorant. Besides, last I knew- MG is NOT Jesus, he is just a man, with a set of beliefs that supposedly work for him and as a man, with undoubtedly fall and make his own share of mistakes. It’s not making a mistake that should define us, but whether or not we’ve actually learned from that mistake. My 2 cents…

Dee on November 3rd, 2009

Congrats Mel I am happy for you and your new bride. Cant wait to see pics

Liliana on November 3rd, 2009

I♥CBB, we’ll just have to agree to disagree.

The only people I’ve encountered that would voice their disapproval regarding the choices I’ve made in my life are some conservatives and others who are devout followers of a particular creed. Blatant as it may sound, I could care less. What I do in my life does not affect them. I don’t tell others how to live their lives so I expect the same common courtesy to be given to me in return.

While marriage is important to you, it’s not to me. If people are to judge me, I prefer they do so based on my character and how I treat others; not whether or not my children were born in or out of wedlock.

anon on November 3rd, 2009

Moving on from the religion stuff…what I think is more interesting is the fact that this woman looks exactly like Nadya Suleman (Octo-mom). Perhaps they had the same plastic surgeon? The similarity is crazy!

Kaylee on November 3rd, 2009

Congrats! I HATE the name though, no comments on the parents…

Gracie on November 3rd, 2009

we only got married for visa purposes…as a spouse I could get employment authorisation on the then J2 status I was on. Did it in a registry office, (had a family BBQ later that day)and no bridal gown for me (have never nor ever will want to be a ‘bride’).

My partner and I had been together for 8 years before the marriage license was sought and that’s all it is to us…life partners we would have been regardless and doesn’t make any difference either way. We don’t even wear wedding bands, and my last name was not changed.

So I agree with Liliana in that ‘marriage’ is not important to me either. Commitment, love, trust and respect are though and this can be achieved just as well without a marriage license IMO.

If one is religious it is a whole other kettle of fish, and I would say each to their own, but when masses of ppl are indoctrinated to believe living together in or having children with your partner without being married is unethical and sinful, then this leads to discrimination….very distasteful indeed.

Alex on November 3rd, 2009

The mom looks just like Octo mom. I bet they have used the same plastic surgeon. Alexander & Lucia are lovely names.

CelebBabyLover on November 4th, 2009

Uzi- We don’t actually know for sure whether it was Mel’s affair with Oksana that destroyed the relationship, and we probably never will. The fact that Robin listed the date of seperation as “to be determined” COULD mean that the affair is what brought an end to the marriage, but it also might not.

I also firmly believe that if your marriage is a strong, healthy, and happy one, it cannot be broken up. Bottomline, it’s very doubtful that Oksana was the sole reason for the marriage crumbling, if she even was a reason at all.

IloveCBB- Uh, I fail to see how Halle Berry is a single mother other than in the legal sense. No, she’s not married, but she DOES have a partner. As for Angie…she has SIX children with Brad. Please, let’s not forget that, although Angie initally adopted Maddox, Pax, and Zahara on her own, Brad has since adopted all three kids.

CelebBabyLover on November 4th, 2009

Oh, and I think it’s funny that so many people seem to think that Oksana looks like Octomom, as most people seem to think that Octomom looks like Angelina Jolie…..and Okasna doesn’t look a thing like Angelina!

brannon on November 4th, 2009

I get it now! Being a single mother by choice is only ok if you’ve tried marriage and didn’t like it! My mom used to tell me that about spinach. So then following this theory, is it ok to be gay so long as you’ve “tried” someone of the same sex and didn’t like it? That Bible…tricky stuff for sure.

Uzi on November 4th, 2009

@CelebBabyLover…I stand by my comments. What the public doesn’t realize is that Mel cheated on Robyn for years, and they apparently had an “understanding.” Like other couples with that kind of arrangement the unspoken agreement is “do what you want, just be discrete, don’t embarass me, and above all, don’t get caught!” I’d always heard that Robyn threatened divorce before and Mel talked her out of it. Mel blew it this time! Yes, the Gibsons may have eventually divorced anyway, but the pregnancy was the last straw.

Jessica on November 4th, 2009

I find that hard to believe, Uzi. Maybe he cheated on her, who knows. But consistently throughout the marriage, with her full knowledge? I doubt any woman would willingly give birth to and raise seven children by a man who on off nights was with other women. No woman in her right mind would want that. Maybe she was in it for the money, that’s very possible; money is an oft used persuader. But, for me, no amount of money in the world could make me give birth to seven children by a man who I knew was cheating around behind my back, making me to look like a fool and a kept woman. Marriage is too hard, layered with compromises and difficulties, to not be in it with your whole heart and with love, to say nothing of the difficulty in raising children. It’s not worth it otherwise.

My final point, as a married woman and a mother, I can say with certainty that no one can know the complexities of another’s marriage. There is too much that goes on behind closed doors, so much that is said and done that no one could ever begin to guess or assume what the Gibson’s marriage was like. To say anything about what none of us have any real knowledge is just conjecture.

Micah on November 4th, 2009

Jessica: You are quite right about marriage, child-rearing being difficult/hard for us mere mortals that is. When you have oodles of $$$, fancy houses around the world, living a jet-set lifestyle and all that entails- it is VERY HARD to give those luxuries up and believe me, even though they had 7-children together, do not think for one second that Mrs. Gibson did not have help (if not from her husband) bringing up said children and maintaining a household. I applaud you in your sentiment that “no amnt. of $$$” would make you stick with a cheating spouse, unfortunately given these extreme circumstances (extreme $$$, fame, wealth, etc..) many women are not that strong and do “look the other way”- Mrs. Gibson would not be the first and certainly not the last. Let’s review: Robin Gibson- stayed, Victoria Beckham- stayed, Fergie- stayed, Princess Di- stayed, Jen Aniston- got out, but would have stayed if circumstances were different, Diane Lane- stayed, etc… Also, many women who do stay often go on to have subsequent children with their cheating spouse. Just saying.

Jessica on November 4th, 2009

Micah, I agree they do have loads of money and I’m sure beautiful houses and accessories to boot, I’m not denying that. And I’m sure all those things would entice a person to stick around in an otherwise unsavory situation, to say the least. I’m saying there’s never been confirmation to us in the general public that he cheated on her at all, while they were living together, still considered in each others eyes as married. At least not as far as I know; I’ve never heard otherwise. Or if it did happen and someone here knows of a factual incident, it was never well publicized. I understand what others have said here, that because he is not legally divorced from Robin, he is currently cheating on her with this new woman. But, I bet if you were to talk to Robin, she’d probably say that she’s a free woman. And no document, legal or otherwise, can speak for a woman’s heart.

And about those other women you mentioned- I’d never heard that David Beckham was anything but a loving and devoted husband and father for over 10 years now. I’ve never heard or read anything that speaks to the contrary. The same thing goes for Fergie and her husband; though I’ve heard the recent rumors, they are just that until proven definitively otherwise. Brad Pitt has repeatedly said he never cheated on Jennifer Aniston and only after she filed for divorce did he become romantically involved with Angelina Jolie. Although, he probably became emotionally involved with her before that. However it came about, he did the right thing by ending the marriage.

Princess Diana was an entirely different can of worms. She wasn’t just married; she was married to the future King of England. All the hoops she had to jump through just to get married & be married. They were not just for herself, but for the entire country of spectators watching her walk down the aisle on national television. She had an entire country’s hopes riding on her shoulders and her womb. Would you want to let all those people down, and lose the respect of your fellow citizens because you couldn’t make the marriage work? No. She didn’t either. She stuck it out. She survived the neglect and depression and his cheating and obvious and longstanding love for this other woman, because it was her station in life to do so. This was not just her marriage, it was her duty. And yes, she admittedly survived his cheating, in part, by cheating herself. But only after she realized his heart was never hers to begin with. I’ve read biographies and books about her, and watched multiple documentaries, so I know this from what I read and heard from those sources.

All of these women, and scores of others like them, survive these painful and humiliating experiences the only way they can, and as privately as we’ll allow them to do so. I again choose not to judge any of them, because it didn’t happen to me, and I know no more facts about their private relationships with their spouses than anyone else commenting here.

Uzi on November 4th, 2009

Micah, Jessica…I have friends who work in the entertainment industry, and they told me that Mel’s “extracurricular activities” were an open secret in Hollywood. I don’t know the specifics. He’s had a PR team that’s always done damage control for years, and apparently the women involved received “compensation” in exchange for their confidentially. For whatever reasons…religion, children, money or maybe inspite of everything they really did love each other…the Gibsons chose to stay married, and only they know why. I have neighbors who separated over 30 years ago and never divorced. The man’s been living with another woman for years. When the wife was dying a couple of years ago she told her daughters she wanted to be buried wearing her wedding ring. Myself, I have a more traditional, monagomous view of marriage, but there sure are a lot of other interpretations in the world!

CelebBabyLover on November 5th, 2009

Uzi- Just because your friends said Mel was cheating doesn’t make it true!

Jessica- I agree whole heartedly agree with both of your comments. I also want to add that, in the case of Brad and Jennifer, it’s pretty obvious that they would have divorced even if Angie had never come into the picture. Personally, I am glad that neither of them is in unhappy marriage anymore, and that both have gotten what they most want (Brad a family, and Jennifer to focus on her career).

Micah on November 5th, 2009

Fact: D. Beckham’s cheating “record” can be traced all the way back to 1998 when VB was pregnant with their first son. He got “caught” in 2004 whilst he was living in Spain/playing for Real Madrid and VB was living at the family home in the UK and at that time refused to move/settle in Spain. He cheated with a woman named Rebecca Loos who at the time was his “personal assistant”. Most of these ppl. cheat, they are just better at hiding it than the average Joe due to their $, wealth, prestige and the amnt. of “Yes” men they have around them.
Fact: Although it’s never been “proven” that Brad/Ange started their togetherness before he officially split from JA- it’s not that far of a leap to presume that it did. Everyone has seen those cozy pics. of them on the set of Mr./Mrs. Smith- it was known that their were problems in the marriage between BP & JA due especially to the issue of “family”. As far as these two are concerned, whether or not they did or did not is not of concern to me, I honestly think that they are a better match together than BP & JA ever were. But if things did start before the official breaksdown on the marriage, then that to me is not alright, whether or not there are problems going on in any marriage, you owe it to the other person to respect them and the vows that you made before moving on to the next person. Although if anyone actually read the vows that BP & JA made to one another when they married, you could clearly tell that their union was not for the long-haul- their vows were incredibly childish and superficial and totally made “in the moment” not “looking down the road”. My take.

Ashleigh on November 5th, 2009

Micah, I doubt you’re an active party in those relationships so you have no idea what actually goes on…just what you read in tabloids.

As for Jen and Brad’s vows, who cares? It wasn’t your wedding day and he/she is not your spouse.

Jessica on November 5th, 2009

My point exactly, Ashleigh! All I’m saying Micah and Uzi is that for me to be convinced of any celebrity’s unfaithfulness to his or her spouse, is for that person to go on a network tv show, like Hugh Grant did after his despicable hooker incident, and admit that he did wrong. Of course, a mugshot cataloguing the incident helps in the guilt category.

Anyone’s word in the entertainment business, or a journalist’s words in a rag mag, are just that, words. Nothing more. Anyone who says desparaging remarks about a celebrity from a standpoint of having something to gain from the celebrity’s fall from grace, cannot be fully trusted to be speaking a dependable truth. So, I choose to disregard most of it as trash. My final point, if we each had a constant spotlight on our lives, a camera trained on our every move, magazines constantly quoting “unnamed sources” or “a friend of the star” who vouched for rumors as truth, the cobwebs in all of our closets would surely sparkle in the sunlight.

Uzi on November 5th, 2009

I was taught that “honesty is the best policy,” so Hugh Grant’s my hero, having the guts to go on the “Tonight Show” and face the music right after his incident. Recently Jude Law, no stranger to scandal, addressed his “indiscretion” through his publicist. Unfortunately many celebrities are more concerned with maintaining their image than telling the truth, and they pay PR firms a lot of money to do damage control. That’s my whole point about Mel Gibson. He is a hypocrite, fraud and compulsive liar. I doubt he will ever have the guts to go on a national TV show and “come clean” about his life and current situation. CelebBabyLover…I respect your opinion, but my friends would have no reason to make things up about Mel. They’ve told me about other celebs too…closeted gays, cheaters, druggies, etc. Finally, I want to emphasize again that the Gibson divorce has not been finalized, so Robyn is not Mel’s “ex-wife,” she’s his “estranged wife.”

CelebBabyLover on November 6th, 2009

Uzi- Fair enough. Obviously I don’t know your friends, but I admit that it doesn’t sound like a friend would lie about something like that to another friend. However, who knows where your friends got their info? They could have easily gotten it from unreliable sources. I wouldn’t doubt that, when you work in the entertainment industry as your friends do, gossip happens a lot. Most of it probably stems from tabloid stories, or from people that want to spread rumors.

Bottomline: Think of it as the little kids’ game of telephone. By the time the message, or gossip in this case, gets to the last person in the “chain”, it’s bound to sound quite a bit different than when the first person told the second person.

In anycase, whether or not what your friends are saying is true, I think they should stop telling you that gossip. I mean, gossiping like that is hurtful and wrong. How would YOU like it if you had a secret like that and someone blabbed it?

Micah on November 6th, 2009

Hmmm- ok, let’s spin it another way- Do you HONESTLY think that if, let’s take DB- if those cheating allegations were NOT TRUE that they would have sued like crazy for defammation of character, emotional distress, etc.? Of course they would have- they DID NOT because it was true. The alleged mistress had e-mail/cell phone records to back it up as well as knowing intimate details regarding DB’s body. And for you to claim that all my info. is from tabloids, etc… you have no basis for saying that- you have no idea who I am or what I do for work, so it would be nice if you did not talk about things for which you have NO BASIS of knowing. Just because you want to see DB or any other celeb in a rose-colored bubble, does not mean that the rest of us are as blinded by their “status” as you seem to be.

Jessica on November 6th, 2009

Micah, you didn’t direct your last response to anyone so I hope your anger isn’t aimed at me! If so, I’m sorry you got so angry. It was unnecessary. Anger, for the most part, is a useless emotion and a waste of one’s time. This is just a discussion, and a silly one at that, not an argument.

If your response was for me, then here’s my answer: I don’t see any celebrity through rose colored glasses. I just don’t care, frankly. So much of what is printed, or what I see on online about celebrities has turned out to be false, just complete rubbish. “Angelina and Brad are splitting up…” or “so-and-so is cheating on his wife” etc. And nearly every time I read stuff like that, the celebrity themself comes out later and says there’s no factual basis to whatever the current rumor is. My own life is so different from theirs; my life and obligations do not resemble a celebrity’s in the slightest. So I don’t know about or understand the workings of a celebrity’s entourage, publicist, lawyer, and all the rest. Celebritys seem so far removed from the real world that truth must surely have to travel a long way from them to get to the rest of us. That’s surely like a game of telephone as CelebBabyLover said.

And about David and Victoria Beckham, maybe that whole bit is true, maybe it isn’t. I don’t know. Maybe they didn’t sue because it was true. Or maybe they didn’t sue because it wasn’t true, and suing would only draw more attention and draw out a saga for their family that wasn’t necessary. They do have their kids to think about, and the negative backlash they would receive in school and amongst their friends. And for what? So they could verify that David Beckham is an upstanding man and they get a few thousand dollars for their trouble? It’s not worth the effort. Who knows?

Again, my point, that I’m tiring of trying to make, is that I cannot say the rumors of this affair, or any other for that matter, are true or not. This woman may have voicemails from David Beckham or text messages or emails or whatever, but I know I’ve never read them for myself! I’ve never heard his voice calling her “sweetie” or “hot stuff” on her cell phone or read text messages directly on her phone from his looking for a late night booty call. I’ve not seen any of it with my own eyes, and I don’t mean in a newspaper or on Access Hollywood or some junk like that, but in person, in my hands. I’ve never seen it. And I never will! And I’m sure nobody else ever will either!

I’m saying I get most of my celebrity news from People online, People magazine, MSN, CNN online, NBC news. That’s where most of my info comes from, and I find them to be mostly trusthworthy sources. But, they’re still impersonal big news companies and they can get things wrong just like everybody else.

I didn’t mean to imply that you only get your news from tabloid sources, I’m just saying that’s the most popular source for news like this. If you have the inside track to the facts of these celebrities lives, then well, good for you, I guess. That must be a nice life you live and I’m jealous.

Now, I’m tired so I think I’m done writing about this. I feel like I’m walking on egg shells!

CelebBabyLover on November 7th, 2009

Jessica- Again, I agree whole-heartedly. You said exactly what I wanted to say in regards to them not suing. I also want to add that you don’t see Brad and Angelina suing the tabs for the false split-up, pregnancy, adoption, etc. rumors that ciruclate all the time, nor do you see Tom and Katie or other celebs suing the tabs for false stories.

Bottomline: Just because a celeb doesn’t sue, doesn’t mean the story is true!

Sophia on November 9th, 2009

Um.. This is a birth announcement. I really don’t see the need to bicker about racial views and hypocrisy and whatever else you are all going on about. A baby was born. That’s all.