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		<title>By: CelebBabyLover</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 20:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;Whoops! Obviously I meant that Angie and Brad wouldn&#039;t hide something like that from their kids, NOT from their parents! Somehow I doubt they&#039;d have much need to discuss the intimite details of their relationship (including how it started) with their parents (especially considering Angie is estranged from her father, who&#039;s her only living parent)! LOL!&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>Whoops! Obviously I meant that Angie and Brad wouldn&#8217;t hide something like that from their kids, NOT from their parents! Somehow I doubt they&#8217;d have much need to discuss the intimite details of their relationship (including how it started) with their parents (especially considering Angie is estranged from her father, who&#8217;s her only living parent)! LOL!</p>
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		<title>By: CelebBabyLover</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;div xmlns=&quot;http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;NlT- For the third time, right on! I&#039;m sure Mad, Pax, Zee Zee, Shi, Knox, Viv, and any other children Angie and Brad have WILL someday hear the story of how their parents fell in love (Angie and Brad, especially Angie, just don&#039;t seem to be the type of people who would hide something like that from their parents).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;However, as long as they don&#039;t get hold of some of the tabloids, the story they hear will be the REAL one, the one that only Angie and Brad really know. Therefore, they will probably precieve it a lot differently than the media and a lot of the general public do.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Anyway, I also agree with NLT&#039;s comment about Angie and Brad being sensitive to Jen in the beginning. In fact, I actually think they&#039;ve done a very good job of being respectful of Jen and her feelings.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As we all know, Angie and Brad didn&#039;t talk about how they came together for the first few years after Brad and Jen&#039;s divorce (heck, they didn&#039;t even confirm they were a couple. In essence, it was Shiloh who did that! :)).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In fact, it wasn&#039;t until early last year that they started talking about (other than to deny that they had an affair, that is) it, and it&#039;s only now that they are starting to be open about saying point-blank that MMS is the film where they fell in love.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I really think a lot of their being relatively quiet about the beginning of their relationship for so long was out of respect to Jennifer (especially considering that Angie is normally nothing but honest in her interviews and tends to talk about just about everything in them!).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;All of that said, from what Angie and Brad have said, it sounds like what happened first is that they formed a friendship (not even neccesarily a deep one at first, but just a friendship).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The fact of the matter is, it&#039;s hard, if not impossible (even for Angie and Brad, as shocking as that may sound! LOL!) to know whether a friendship is going to develope into something more. Feelings are weird that way!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Basically, what&#039;s meant to be will be. :)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;]]></description>
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<p>NlT- For the third time, right on! I&#8217;m sure Mad, Pax, Zee Zee, Shi, Knox, Viv, and any other children Angie and Brad have WILL someday hear the story of how their parents fell in love (Angie and Brad, especially Angie, just don&#8217;t seem to be the type of people who would hide something like that from their parents).</p>
<p>However, as long as they don&#8217;t get hold of some of the tabloids, the story they hear will be the REAL one, the one that only Angie and Brad really know. Therefore, they will probably precieve it a lot differently than the media and a lot of the general public do.</p>
<p>Anyway, I also agree with NLT&#8217;s comment about Angie and Brad being sensitive to Jen in the beginning. In fact, I actually think they&#8217;ve done a very good job of being respectful of Jen and her feelings.</p>
<p>As we all know, Angie and Brad didn&#8217;t talk about how they came together for the first few years after Brad and Jen&#8217;s divorce (heck, they didn&#8217;t even confirm they were a couple. In essence, it was Shiloh who did that! <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> ).</p>
<p>In fact, it wasn&#8217;t until early last year that they started talking about (other than to deny that they had an affair, that is) it, and it&#8217;s only now that they are starting to be open about saying point-blank that MMS is the film where they fell in love.</p>
<p>I really think a lot of their being relatively quiet about the beginning of their relationship for so long was out of respect to Jennifer (especially considering that Angie is normally nothing but honest in her interviews and tends to talk about just about everything in them!).</p>
<p>All of that said, from what Angie and Brad have said, it sounds like what happened first is that they formed a friendship (not even neccesarily a deep one at first, but just a friendship).</p>
<p>The fact of the matter is, it&#8217;s hard, if not impossible (even for Angie and Brad, as shocking as that may sound! LOL!) to know whether a friendship is going to develope into something more. Feelings are weird that way!</p>
<p>Basically, what&#8217;s meant to be will be. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: NLT</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 17:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;I have no problems with that, Di.  My problem is that it&#039;s unproductive to keep on harping on something that is in the past.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And, no matter what others may think about it, to these two (Brad &amp; Angie), they story is different.  They liked alot about each other and fell in like, then love.  To them, it&#039;s all good. And, I don&#039;t think they regret it.  So, in their minds, they tried to be very sensitive to Jen in the beginning, but they no longer need to.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;What others think, really doesn&#039;t count.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
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<p>And, no matter what others may think about it, to these two (Brad &#038; Angie), they story is different.  They liked alot about each other and fell in like, then love.  To them, it&#8217;s all good. And, I don&#8217;t think they regret it.  So, in their minds, they tried to be very sensitive to Jen in the beginning, but they no longer need to.</p>
<p>What others think, really doesn&#8217;t count.</p>
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		<title>By: Di</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 13:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;div xmlns=&quot;http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;Angelina&#039;s statement about wanting her children see the film where the parents fell in love is nice except for the fact that Brad was still married to someone else at the time. I sincerely hope that those children never find out the real story behind how and when their parents met. &lt;br /&gt;
 Look, no one knows what really happened on the movie set. In fact, Jen does not even know. All Jen knows is what Brad told her which is that nothing happened i.e, no affair. &lt;br /&gt;
 In my opinion, something happened on the set. If a marriage is on the brink, you separate and divorce but you do not cheat and have an affair. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I must echo an earlier post- I do not think it is appropriate for a married man to open up his heart and build a deep friendship with a woman who is not his wife especially if that woman is single and very attractive. You are asking for trouble if you do. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;]]></description>
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<p>Angelina&#8217;s statement about wanting her children see the film where the parents fell in love is nice except for the fact that Brad was still married to someone else at the time. I sincerely hope that those children never find out the real story behind how and when their parents met. <br />
 Look, no one knows what really happened on the movie set. In fact, Jen does not even know. All Jen knows is what Brad told her which is that nothing happened i.e, no affair. <br />
 In my opinion, something happened on the set. If a marriage is on the brink, you separate and divorce but you do not cheat and have an affair. </p>
<p>I must echo an earlier post- I do not think it is appropriate for a married man to open up his heart and build a deep friendship with a woman who is not his wife especially if that woman is single and very attractive. You are asking for trouble if you do. </p>
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		<title>By: CelebBabyLover</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 20:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;Whoops! Naturally I meant: &quot;How people precieve Brad and Angie&#039;s coming together...NOT precieves! I probably should have double-checked for grammar and spelling errors before posting!&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>Whoops! Naturally I meant: &#8220;How people precieve Brad and Angie&#8217;s coming together&#8230;NOT precieves! I probably should have double-checked for grammar and spelling errors before posting!</p>
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		<title>By: CelebBabyLover</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 19:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;div xmlns=&quot;http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;NLT- Once again, I completely agree with your comment! That being said, while I don&#039;t agree with a lot of what LanLan and others have said, I have come to understand why they made the comments they did.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think this is such a sensitive issue because, what it really all comes down to is:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;1. What do you define as &quot;cheating&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;and&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;2. When exactly do you consider a marriage to be &quot;over&quot;?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;People define those two things in many different ways. Some people, for example, define cheating as being any kind of &quot;affair&quot;, whether physical or, as some commentors have put it, an &quot;affair of the heart&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Other people define cheating as any kind of physical affair. To complicate matters further, many people have differing opinions on what constitutes emotional cheating.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As far as when a marriage is over...Some people believe it&#039;s when the ink is dry on the divorce papers (and most of those people think that, even then, the exes should wait awhile before moving on with anyone else). Others consider a marriage to be over once the partners have legally seperated.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Basically, how people percieves Brad and Angie&#039;s coming together is their beliefs about what constitutes cheating and when a marriage is over.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I also want to add that, if we&#039;re going to accuse Brad of adultery, then we should be accusing Jen of it as well. Remember, she hopped into bed with Vince long before the ink was dry on the divorce papers.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Anyway, the fact of the matter is, how Angie and Brad got together and if/what kind of cheating went on is probably something people will never agree about it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In this case, I think it&#039;s high time we simply agree to disagree and leave it at that!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;]]></description>
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<p>NLT- Once again, I completely agree with your comment! That being said, while I don&#8217;t agree with a lot of what LanLan and others have said, I have come to understand why they made the comments they did.</p>
<p>I think this is such a sensitive issue because, what it really all comes down to is:</p>
<p>1. What do you define as &#8220;cheating&#8221;.</p>
<p>and</p>
<p>2. When exactly do you consider a marriage to be &#8220;over&#8221;?</p>
<p>People define those two things in many different ways. Some people, for example, define cheating as being any kind of &#8220;affair&#8221;, whether physical or, as some commentors have put it, an &#8220;affair of the heart&#8221;.</p>
<p>Other people define cheating as any kind of physical affair. To complicate matters further, many people have differing opinions on what constitutes emotional cheating.</p>
<p>As far as when a marriage is over&#8230;Some people believe it&#8217;s when the ink is dry on the divorce papers (and most of those people think that, even then, the exes should wait awhile before moving on with anyone else). Others consider a marriage to be over once the partners have legally seperated.</p>
<p>Basically, how people percieves Brad and Angie&#8217;s coming together is their beliefs about what constitutes cheating and when a marriage is over.</p>
<p>I also want to add that, if we&#8217;re going to accuse Brad of adultery, then we should be accusing Jen of it as well. Remember, she hopped into bed with Vince long before the ink was dry on the divorce papers.</p>
<p>Anyway, the fact of the matter is, how Angie and Brad got together and if/what kind of cheating went on is probably something people will never agree about it.</p>
<p>In this case, I think it&#8217;s high time we simply agree to disagree and leave it at that!</p>
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		<title>By: NLT</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 06:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;div xmlns=&quot;http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;LanLan:  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If they were planning to have a baby after Frineds ended, then why did Jen sign up for 4 movies back-to-back before Friends has its finale?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;She had no intention of having kids, and IMO, was just stringing Brad along for as long as possible.  Look how long it worked!  Both Courtney Cox and Lisa Kudrow managed to have kids while being on Friends, but Jen could not?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;IMO, I think Brad just came to realize that she was lying to him, and reflected on his life and realized there was so much more to it than the one they were living.  Even Jen said they were headed in &quot;two different directions&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Anyway, I really can&#039;t believe we&#039;re discussing this again as if it was 2005.  This is almost 2009, and I don&#039;t care how they got together; just as I don&#039;t care how Paul Newman and Joanne Woodard got together, nor Tom Hanks and Rita Wilson, nor Elizabeth Taylor and Eddie Fisher, nor J-Lo and Marc Anthony.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Time to move on. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;]]></description>
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<p>LanLan:  </p>
<p>If they were planning to have a baby after Frineds ended, then why did Jen sign up for 4 movies back-to-back before Friends has its finale?</p>
<p>She had no intention of having kids, and IMO, was just stringing Brad along for as long as possible.  Look how long it worked!  Both Courtney Cox and Lisa Kudrow managed to have kids while being on Friends, but Jen could not?</p>
<p>IMO, I think Brad just came to realize that she was lying to him, and reflected on his life and realized there was so much more to it than the one they were living.  Even Jen said they were headed in &#8220;two different directions&#8221;.</p>
<p>Anyway, I really can&#8217;t believe we&#8217;re discussing this again as if it was 2005.  This is almost 2009, and I don&#8217;t care how they got together; just as I don&#8217;t care how Paul Newman and Joanne Woodard got together, nor Tom Hanks and Rita Wilson, nor Elizabeth Taylor and Eddie Fisher, nor J-Lo and Marc Anthony.</p>
<p>Time to move on. </p>
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		<title>By: LanLan</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 03:42:06 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;Lucy-&lt;br /&gt;
Even though he was legally separated from Jen, they were still MARRIED. So, as other posters have said she still would be having an affair with a MARRIED man.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>Lucy-<br />
Even though he was legally separated from Jen, they were still MARRIED. So, as other posters have said she still would be having an affair with a MARRIED man.</p>
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		<title>By: LanLan</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 03:34:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;div xmlns=&quot;http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;NLT and Ana - &lt;br /&gt;
Angelina said HERSELF said that they &quot;fell in love&quot; while they were filming - if that&#039;s not confirmation of cheating, I don&#039;t know what is. Adultery of the heart is still adultery. In the Jen Vanity Fair interview it was said that he emotionally cut off from their marriage while he was filming this movie which shows this is when the cheating began. Jen wanted to work on their problems while they were married but it was Brad who wanted to &#039;figure out&#039; his life without the marriage. This happened whilst he was filming - coincidence? (I think not). &lt;br /&gt;
Yes, it did happen years ago and they have kids now but it still doesn&#039;t erase the fact that she effectively helped break up a marriage. Some posters on here are saying that if this didn&#039;t happen then all these kids wouldn&#039;t be here, well if Jen + Brad were still married, Brad himself said they were planning to have a child after &#039;Friends&#039; ended. If we look at this the same way, this means Angelina coming along sadly stopped any possiblity of this happening. &lt;br /&gt;
By doing simple math we can work out that Shiloh was conceived before the divorce was even final and they obviously had been having a sexual relationship prior which would have been barely after the divorce papers had been filed (if that).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I don&#039;t understand some of this hard-heartedness towards Jen, if Brad and Angelina&#039;s relationship got on the rocks and Brad &#039;fell in love&#039; with another woman whle filming I bet some people here would be a lot more sympathetic towards Angelina.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;]]></description>
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<p>NLT and Ana &#8211; <br />
Angelina said HERSELF said that they &#8220;fell in love&#8221; while they were filming &#8211; if that&#8217;s not confirmation of cheating, I don&#8217;t know what is. Adultery of the heart is still adultery. In the Jen Vanity Fair interview it was said that he emotionally cut off from their marriage while he was filming this movie which shows this is when the cheating began. Jen wanted to work on their problems while they were married but it was Brad who wanted to &#8216;figure out&#8217; his life without the marriage. This happened whilst he was filming &#8211; coincidence? (I think not). <br />
Yes, it did happen years ago and they have kids now but it still doesn&#8217;t erase the fact that she effectively helped break up a marriage. Some posters on here are saying that if this didn&#8217;t happen then all these kids wouldn&#8217;t be here, well if Jen + Brad were still married, Brad himself said they were planning to have a child after &#8216;Friends&#8217; ended. If we look at this the same way, this means Angelina coming along sadly stopped any possiblity of this happening. <br />
By doing simple math we can work out that Shiloh was conceived before the divorce was even final and they obviously had been having a sexual relationship prior which would have been barely after the divorce papers had been filed (if that).</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand some of this hard-heartedness towards Jen, if Brad and Angelina&#8217;s relationship got on the rocks and Brad &#8216;fell in love&#8217; with another woman whle filming I bet some people here would be a lot more sympathetic towards Angelina.</p>
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		<title>By: CelebBabyLover</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 20:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;div xmlns=&quot;http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;NLT- They were indeed together for 7 years (although they were married for only four of them, not counting the year they divorced).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Also, as other commentors have said, if you do a little digging and go back to interviews Brad and Jen did right before Mr. and Mrs. Smith began shooting, it&#039;s obvious that the marriage was already on the rocks when Angie came along.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In fact, I remember someone saying in another Angie/Brad topic (I believe it was an interview that Angie gave last year) that you could tell Brad and Jen&#039;s marriage was in trouble for the last 18 months to two years of it!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In otherwords, as some other commentors have said, the split was probably inevitable whether or not Angie had come along.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;]]></description>
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<p>NLT- They were indeed together for 7 years (although they were married for only four of them, not counting the year they divorced).</p>
<p>Also, as other commentors have said, if you do a little digging and go back to interviews Brad and Jen did right before Mr. and Mrs. Smith began shooting, it&#8217;s obvious that the marriage was already on the rocks when Angie came along.</p>
<p>In fact, I remember someone saying in another Angie/Brad topic (I believe it was an interview that Angie gave last year) that you could tell Brad and Jen&#8217;s marriage was in trouble for the last 18 months to two years of it!</p>
<p>In otherwords, as some other commentors have said, the split was probably inevitable whether or not Angie had come along.</p>
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