Angelina Jolie On Embracing The "Beautiful Chaos"

10/16/2008 at 04:00 PM ET
Evan Agostini/AP

Despite how it may appear to the outside world, the Jolie-Pitt family has been carefully created with a great deal of forethought, actress Angelina Jolie tells the New York Times. "I know we seem crazy, just bringing them in one after the other, but we do plan," Angelina says. "We make sure one is absorbed completely into the family before we add another."

Still, the 33-year-old mom of six — Maddox Chivan, 7, Pax Thien, 4 ½, Zahara Marley, 3 ½, Shiloh Nouvel, 2, and 3-month-old twins Knox Léon and Vivienne Marcheline — admits that there are moments when she and partner Brad Pitt "look at everyone around the dinner table, and it’s just crazy." In a separate interview with USA Today, Angelina insists that that craziness is nothing new, however.  "When you have more than three kids, it’s just chaos anyway, no matter how many you add." Calling her family "the greatest thing" she and Brad have done in their lives, Angelina says that since welcoming Knox and Viv — whom she describe as "lovely" — there’s been "even more beautiful chaos," and that she wouldn’t change a thing.

"All I wished for was that they’d be healthy, because I was nervous since they were twins. They are, and they’re great."

As her family grows, so does Angelina’s reluctance to commit to new roles. She intends to take another full year off from acting, agreeing only to shoot the film Salt and reprise her vocal performance in Kung Fu Panda — the first and only film in her repertoire that the children have seen. Since the summer, the kids have been home-schooled with success: "They’ve had Mommy and Daddy every day for every meal, and they’ve been very close to us," Angelina explains. When she’s pitched a new project, a litany of concerns must immediately be addressed, like "Who’s in school at that time? How can I be sure I don’t do too many long hours? Can the three youngest be on the set every day?"

"As long as I can still be with my family, it’s fun. But I only want to do that, and I’m not looking for anything else."

Click ‘more’ to read about which of her movies Angelina can’t wait to show the kids.

All that one-on-one time with mom has led to some interesting revelations for the older children, who have entered into a stage of believing that their parents are anything but cool. "Even video games, you know, it’s ‘Mom, you can’t play this. You won’t know how,’" Angelina explains. "They all think I can’t do anything, that I’m just there to snuggle with." She’s proven them wrong on more than one occasion, however.

"The other day Madd said, ‘Can you do a cartwheel?’ And I said, ‘Yeah, I can.’ And he was like, ‘Wow, Mom.’ And I thought: ‘Oh, yeah. I can do some things. You wait. You’ll find out. I’m capable.’"

Another moment Angelina is looking forward to? The day the children are old enough to watch Mr. and Mrs. Smith, the 2005 film which introduced Angelina to Brad — and set the wheels in motion for their eventual family-to-be. Notes Angelina,

"Not a lot of people get to see a movie where their parents fell in love."

Sources: USA Today and New York Times

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Mia on

That’s cute🙂 It’s so much fun watching Mr/s. Smith because of that factor, and I think its cute that they’re being more open about how their relationship started and everything surrounding that.

And yeah, all kids see their parents as just “parents”. I remember watching Snoop Dogg’s reality show and how he wanted David Beckham to come by to teach them to play soccer and his daughter/kids were convinced that he didn’t know anyone, and were like “you don’t know David Beckham” hahaha

madison on

The film where they fell in love, though he was married to someone else at the time. It’s life, I get it, I don’t know anything about these people and how things went down, not to mention they seem well suited to each other and very happy at the moment. But to say that to the press….imo kind of unnecessary.

(LOVE- aJ ) on

I love the Jolie -Pitts.

ana on

She said she is doing movie “Salt”in February of next year, then taking a year off. It is not true that she said she will do only Panda.

Christina on

I don’t really think her comment about Mr. and Mrs. Smith is unecessary-it only confirms what a lot of people already knew, they tried to hide for months despite evidence to the contrary, and their die hard fans still refuse to admit. You can only lie through your teeth for so long.

dsmom on

Madison, I thought the same thing. Kinda tacky IMO. Brad was married to Jennifer at the time and Angie and Brad kept denying that they were together at that time. The truth always comes out!

Jess on

I can never get enough of this women talking about her children.

The love is so clear and immense, its truly stunning.

LolaCola on

I definitely don’t want to start a big off topic argument but I don’t think Brad an Angie should discuss their pre-adoption relationship with their children until they are at least 18. The fact is Brad was married when he and Angelina became involved (on the set of Mr. & Mrs. Smith) whether his marriage was on the ricks or not that would be a very difficult discussion to have with a child and even a young teenager. However, unless Brad and Angie decided to live away from the spotlight the kids will probably hear about it from classmates anyway.

Amanda on

Is she really saying anything that we didn’t know already, madison? I think not. Having said that, how bizarre will it be for the Jolie-Pitt children to watch Mr and Mrs Smith? I know when I was younger, I got so embarrassed if my parents embarked on a little PDA! I can’t imagine seeing them get up to half the things Brad and Angie did in Smith!

I love the quote about making sure each child is absorbed into the family before they think about adding another. That just proves to people that they don’t go around having/adopting children willy nilly and that they think carefully and make sure that their children are ready for it.

carie on

I loved the video interview, and this one’s fun, too. For a while there, I felt like we were kinda hearing the same stuff in the last two posts about them. I think it’s not a big deal saying they fell in love on Mr. & Mrs. Smith. I mean, we all know they did. That’s not a secret. And they’ve always said that while they fell for each other on that movie, they didn’t do anything about it until after he separated from Jen…which was, duh, most likely in the works anyway. If you go back and look at some of the interviews/photos from that time, it ws clear that was on the rocks already. Regardless if AJ had came along, it would have happened. So she’s not really confirming anything new…at all. So I don’t see the problem. Everyone else has moved on, and fans should, too, IMO.

Elizabeth on

For all of the good she does, she is still a homewrecker. She did the same thing with BIlly Bob Thornton, he was living with Laura Dern.

Alice on

Haha one day they’ll play Tomb Raider like “Oh, mom, you wouldn’t know how” xD

I think it’s so nice how she wants to show them Mr & Mrs Smith. You’re right madison, but still, I like the idea behind her words.

Crystal on

I love reading interviews where she discusses the kids. However, while I don’t mind it I fear she may get some backlash on the Mr and Mrs. Smith comment as Brad was still married to Jennifer then and they both swore there was nothing going on. I know she probably lets whatever is said about her/them just roll off of her back anyhow.

Gelareh on

She’s gonna bring about some controversy by saying thats where they fell in love with each other. The kids *are* gonna know that daddy was married at the time.

I didn’t like her saying that.

sunny on

She said she is doing movie “Salt”in February of next year, then taking a year off. It is not true that she said she will do only Panda.

Posted by: ana

ana is right.
That part in this article is wrong.
Original interview with NY Times or USA Today has mentioned ‘Salt’ before ‘Kung Fu Panda’

Mia on

I think enough time has passed that both Angelina (and maybe Brad) can say “yes, we fell in love during Mr/s. Smith” and whether they address it or not its pretty much common knowledge.

Although Brad Pitt was legally married at the time, I think it was pretty obvious that he and his former wife were pretty much (emotionally) separated over the past year when filming began (early 2004) where Brad/Angelina’s relationship soon started after that.

It’s not ideal, but if we lived in a perfect world everyone would meet and marry the right partner the first time and it would be who they were (positively speaking) meant to be with.

As of now, I think we should just be happy for the couple, who are obviously happy together and have a beautiful, happy, and healthy family.
I hope they last 50 years.

Nicole Marie on

Oh boy, she wants her kids to see them doing you know what on screen when they are older? Isn’t that a bit hm…not normal? I know it is on screen, but I wouldn’t want to see that if that was my parents!

k on

I agree with Madison. That seems like the kind of information to best be saved for private and family “ears” rather than almost bragging on national TV, even these many years after.

Natasha on

I don’t like the whole “fell in love on set” thing because Brad was still married, but nonetheless that’s in the past and they’re clearly happier now🙂

Jen on

Theyve only seen Kung fu panda, I would think her kids would have seen shark tale as well.

Nicka on

I think her comments are cute. As for the falling in love on the set of the movie, I think it is a sweet comment. Her kids will find it special, even if some of the PDA might be kind of gross to them! I don’t think Angelina should be ashamed one bit.

Everyone here is looking at their relationship from the prism of how it was formed. But the kids will look at it very differently. Without Brad and Angelina meeting and falling in love, there would be no Shiloh, Knox or Viv! There would be no family for these kids who were adopted. I think the past of how the parents came together is just one blip on the timeline for this family.

Once kids are created, I truly think you have to let go of all the past hurts and he-saids, she-saids. There is a certain inevitability, in other words, these beautiful children wouldn’t be here if they didn’t meet and fall in love.

I think we should all move on, as I hope J. Anniston has, as well.

Ellie on

I took her comment to mean that the movie was made at a point when Brad and Angelina came into each others lives, not necessarily that they started a physical affair while Brad was still married. After all, they hadn’t met (to my knowledge) before being cast for the film, so it’s special in that sense. Their family really began there. Shiloh, Knox & Viv wouldn’t exist today if not for that film.

Brad and Jennifer’s marriage didn’t necessarily end because Angelina came into his life; they’re separate relationships and sometimes it’s possile for the right person to just come along. When Brad was suffering from the loss of his marriage, it happened to coincide with the filming of a role that would introduce him to his new love. Angelina has said before that she was a shoulder for him to cry on at that time. Maybe their bond was forged more deeply because of the emotional upheaval he was already going through. Sometimes it’s hard not to believe in fate.

Mia on

Well, the rated/original movie version is pretty low key. Its Pg-13. I don’t think there is anything in it that is extreme..Just kissing and general PDA that I’m sure the kids/all kids see their parents interacting with.

Now, the unrated version is a little different. But granted she did say “until they’re old enough”, so it would be at an age where sexuality is appropriate and comfortable stage in their lives as young adults.

And yes, although Brad was legally married when they met and started their relationship-Life happens. They aren’t the only celebrity couple that this has happened to. It’s only so high profile because its Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie.

Look at Julia Roberts/Danny Moder, Anne Heche/her ex-husband, Billy Crudup left his partner (MLP) when she was pregnant.

ana on

Yes Mia, but it is only Brad and Angelina’s relationship that is analyzed to death. She never said thet they didn’t have feelings for each other while filming, she said they didn’t have an afair Cristina. But, people have formed their opinions about them and they interpret everything from that standpoint. Look at Paul Newman, RIP, he married Joanne Woodward a day after his divorce from his first wife was finalized (with whom he,BTW, had three children) and their love story is celebrated as one of the most beautiful in Hollywood.

CelebBabyLover on

Ellie, Nicka, carie, and Mia- ITA with all of you! I also want to add that Shiloh, Knox, and Viv aren’t the only Jolie-Pitt children that wouldn’t have existed if Angie and Brad hadn’t met.

Although Angie adopted Zee Zee as a single parent, she later revealed that she and Brad actually made the decisiom to adopt Zee Zee together.

In otherwords, had Angie and Brad not met, it’s likely that Zee Zee wouldn’t have been adopted. And if she hadn’t been adopted, the sad fact is she almost certainly would have died.

In a way, Angie and Brad’s relationship starting when it did probably saved little Zee Zee’s life!

I also agree with what Ellie said about Angie;s comment probably just meaning that the movie was made at the point when they came into each other’s lives.

Falling in love is NOT the same thing as actually having a physical affair. Brad has said that, although he developed feelings for Angie during filming, he didn’t doing anything about them until he had seperated from Jen.

Not only that, but Jen herself has said that she doesn’t believe Brad physically cheated on her until she filed for divorce (or something to that effect).

Personally, if Brad and Angie HAD had a physical affair during filming, I think Jen would have said so!

CelebBabyLover on

I forgot to add that yes, unfournately I DO think the tabs will have a field day with Angie’s Mr. and Mrs. Smith comment!

sadie on

Gee, I wonder how many of the posters would be as understanding if their husband fell in love with the hottest woman on the planet at work, LOL! Seriously, I love Brad and Ange together and am sure they are meant for each other, but I can’t help but feel for Jennifer Aniston when Ange makes such a comment. As was clear from Jen’s Vanity Fair interview, she was pretty much blind-sighted by the affair during Mr and Mrs Smith – I believe she said something along the lines of, “I chose to believe my husband and he said nothing was going on”, or something to that effect. I do think a comment like this is a bit disrespectful to Jennifer Aniston.

carie on

Why wouldn’t they look back on the beginning of their friendship, getting to know each other…as the time they fell in love? I mean, that friendship started them on the path to love. And they prob’ly didn’t acknowledge that at first, because the seeds were just being planted. But it was just a friendship and connection at the time. You can’t call a friendship cheating….just because later on, after his marriage ended, they let their friendship develop romantically.

Joeanne on

It’s been almost 4 years, people! Angelina and Brad should not have to live their lives thinking about what Jennifer Aniston may or may not feel. Jennifer is not part of their lives. I seriously doubt Jennifer wants to be continually associated with them. Marriages don’t end over night and if you go back pre-Angelina and read Brad and Jennifer’s respective interviews you would see the end was near and inevitable.
I for one think it’s great the children will have the opportunity to watch Mr. & Mrs Smith. Brad and Angelina don’t owe anyone any explanations. They know their truth. They know how they got together and they know they now have 6 healthy kids from that beginning. I say more power to them.

sunny on

Joanne Woodward is an outspoken woman and I saw she was saying she and Paul Newman slept together while he was married to his ex wife with 3 children.
Angelina is also an outspoken woman and said they both realized that they fell in love at the last stage of shooting of Mr& Mrs Smith but didn’t act anything.
I believe Reese Witherspoon fell in love with Jake while shooting their film but didn’t do,either.

Kat on

I agree with Joeanne.

Why should anyone else get to decide what Brad and Angelina get to discuss with their kids?

Just because people see Brad and Angelina’s relationship as controversial doesn’t mean they have to treat it that way. How they started their relationship might not be to your liking but that doesn’t mean they should walk around with their heads hanging in shame to please others.

I don’t think Angelina was admitting to any kind of affair by her comment. She has always said they developed feelings for each other while working but it took them a while to realize and share that realization with each other. It is possible for two people to fall in love without acting on those feelings.

kaya on

It will be interesting for the kids to see that movie – see mommy&daddy beating each other up the entire lol

I was more irritated by the part of the article that said she’s taking “another FULL year off”, then “only” doing two projects… Really, I don’t want to criticze her, but has she really taken a full year off? I have do admit I always had the impression that all this “we’re taking time off, we’re taking turns (work-wise)” was, mostly, just that, talk. I was pleasantly surprised in recent months when she hasn’t been seen at all.

anyway, don’t want to sound like those ‘haters’ who flame her for everything she says;) I actually like her and I enjoy her interviews. The part with the video games was sweet, heee:)

That said

kaya on

ps. I just realized they have been together for “only” 3-4 years? WOW, they’ve come a long way:)

carie on

Yeah. it’s old news really. The tabloids will jump on it, because that’s what they do…sell drama, even when it doesn’t exist most of the time. I’m sure Jen and Brad talked at some point about all of this, this is not news to her that there was a seed planted during filming…and she’s moved on. I think it’s the tabloids that won’t let go, really, and feel that painting her as the perpetual victim sells mags for them. It’s pretty condescending really. I’m not a huge fan of hers, but I feel for her that they won’t let go of that and leave her alone.

Blessing on

Brad did an interview for film 4 in the UK.When they talked about Mr and Mrs Smith he said the film changed his life.They fell in love during the re-shoots in 2005.Angelina said thats when they knew there was more to it than they realised,they talked and decided to be together.Cox said Brad admitted he felt a connection to Angelina but he didn’t do anything about it.Where would the tabs and those who buy them be if they didn’t blame Angelina.They know the truth from Jen,Brad and Angelina’s mouths but it doesn’t sell.4 years thats a long time to hate.

Kerri on

I don’t mind her comment about Mr. & Mrs. Smith…I mean, it was pretty obvious that must have been when they started to develop feelings for each other, regardless of when they acted on them.

And yeah, I feel for Jennifer Aniston, but it really seems like it’s time to move on. Brad and Angelina seem much more suited to each other than Brad and Jennifer. I honestly can’t believe Brad and Jen’s relationship was that strong given everything that happened.

Plus, it happens in life all the time. Sometimes you think you’ve found the one until someone comes along and flips your world completely upside down. And of course, it’s not the most pleasant situation, but I think you have to follow your heart, and it’s pretty obvious these two are devoted to each other.

Mia on

Well she has been off for almost a year. I mean, most film shoots are at least 6 months-year before they’re released.

Filming for Changeling was between September-November’ish of 2007. Almost a year ago. So between that and starting a new project in February-that is about a solid year off from work.

yoco on

Angie hasn’t filmed a movie since she wrapped Changeling in Nov 07. She may start Salt in Feb 09. I find it interesting that I have never heard anyone criticize other A list actresses with children for working. Reese makes 20 million+ a movie she obviously doesn’t have to work yet she works on several projects a year yet no criticism . She is very frugal so I’m sure has plenty of money saved so why not take off a few years and her your kids deal with your divorce.Because she has a choice to work or not and I’m happy and grateful that all or most women have that choice.

NLT on

Yes, I think it’s time to stop wondering about what Jennifer must feel. She’s not been part of the equation for quite a while.

No matte what WE think, all that really matters is what THEY think.

kaya on

I wasn’t criticizing her for working. I was criticizing her, because I had the impression she always talked about taking time off/taking turns and not really doing it, but you know better than I do (about her schedule), so thanks:)

Blessing on

Kerri she’s in the news a lot so it might seem like she didn’t take a year off,but yes it will be a year come November.She was away for nearly 5months but she was still talked about.They get a lot of privacy in France,so I think they’ll make it home for a while.

I wasn’t a fan before but there is something about her refusing to be what people want her to be but what she wants to be.She said its better to be hated for who you are than be loved for who you’re not.She’s very strong,very independent and she has come a long way.I love women who face their mistakes and change life for the better,I love fighters.To say she has fought these last 4 years is an understatement,if it was someone else they would have crushed.

People and the tabloids went for her from left,right and center.How she still remains one of the top paid actresses getting roles,parts written for her and no publicist is mindblowing.She just refused to be pushed over.Her humanitarian work is helping people from many many places aroung the World.All this while having babies and Brad.

50% of people who watched WANTED were women,I was lead to believe that women were never going to watch her movies.How things change.God bless her.

LanLan on

She WANTS her children to see Mr and Mrs Smith? The film where her and brad commited adultery? How baffling. Its ironic how they have this double standard where they advocate family life yet are only too happy (and proud) to disregard the sanctity of marriage. Whether on the rocks or not, a marriage is a marriage.

LanLan on

CelebBabyLover ,

How would Jen know if Ang and Brad had a physical relationship during filming? If they were having a physical relationship (likely), Jen if anything, would be the LAST to know.

NLT on


Yet you seem to be PRETTY confident that they DID. How do YOU know?

Faye on

Angie’s statement to NYT about falling in love during the filming of MAMS is just an extension of what she revealed in the Jan. ’07 issue of Vogue. Here’s what she said in that issue.

“Because of the film we ended up being brought together to do all these crazy things, and I think we found this strange friendship and partnership that kind of just suddenly happened. We just became kind of pair. And it took until, really, the end of the shoot for us, I think, to realize that it might mean something more than we’d earlier allowed ourselves to believe.”

Take note of her last comment. It took the end of the shoot before they realized their feelings for each other.

Anyway, Microsoft, Angie and more than 25 law firms and corporate law departments announced today the formation of Kids in Need of Defense (KIND), a new national children’s advocacy initiative with the mission of providing pro bono legal counsel to unaccompanied immigrant children in the United States so that they are treated fairly and compassionately in our immigration system. This will assist thousands of children. It’s too bad that the celebrity media would rather dwell on the sensational rather than issues that are more important.

ana on

And how do YOU know that they commited adultery, LanLan?

carie on

seems like some people take National Enquirer’s words as truth….rather than the actual people involved.

LolaCola on

I like Brad and Angie but I wonder how understanding some of the commenters here would be if their husband had an emotional affair (if you consider that something serious) with another woman at work. I’m sure no one here would be saying “life happens”. Although it does, I think people are either more critical or understanding depending on who’s life it is happening to.

I still think it is better to let your kids know Your father and I fell in love while he was still married when they are at least old enough to understand that adult romantic relationships are complicated but marriage is still something that is scared.

CelebBabyLover on

carie- Exactly! All three people involved have said (multiple times in Angie’s and Brad’s cases) that there was no cheating.

The fact that even Jen said there was no cheating (while she may not have known for sure what was going on, I doubt she’d have made that comment to the press if she wasn’t fairly certain there really wasn’t anything going on), and the fact that Angie is nothing but honest in her interviews (in fact, she has been criticized time and time again for being TOO honest in interviews!), speaks volumes to me.

The fact of the matter is that none of us were there, so we will never know the entire story (nor should we. It’s really none of our business!). I love how Joeanne put it: “They know their truth”.

I actually love that their attitude seems to be “The media and the general public can think what they want, but we know our truth and that’s good enough for us!”

Anyway, I also agree with carie’s comment about how it’s the tabs that don’t seem to want to let go.

When I read US Weekly’s article about Knox and Viv’s birth (US Weekly is my one weakness when it comes to tabs!) and saw that they included Jen’s supposid reaction the births in it, I actually felt bad for her.

Now, I can understand why things like that were brought up when Shiloh was born, considering it wasn’t that long after the divorce that she was born. Naturally people were going to be curious about Jen’s reaction at that time.

However, I think bringing her up in regards to Knox and Viv’s birth was totally unnecessary (as was bringing her up when Pax was adopted, which US Weekly also did).

It’s been almost 4 years as other commentors have pointed out, and it’s pretty obvious that Jen has moved. Also, at this point, I’m sure she doesn’t care one way or the other about Brad and Angie having more kids.

In fact, as another poster said, she’s probably sick and tired of being brought up in regards to Brad and Angie all the time!

I can only hope that, when Angie and Brad adopt their next child, the tabs will have the sense to leave Jen out of it! I greatly admire PEOPLE and other more respectable magazines for being tactful and dropping the subject of Jen in regards to Angie and Brad’s relationship a long time ago!

m-dot on

Ouch. I love the information she shared regarding the children, but could have done without the movie reference.

It doesn’t matter if they didn’t “act” on their lust etc. while they were filming. Brad was having an affair of the heart. He as a married man shouldn’t have “befriended” an unmarried woman in such a way that he’d open himself up to the possibility of cheating on his wife at a later date.

He and Angelina having babies, and seemingly “working out” doesn’t discard the wrong in not giving his marriage a fair chance.

NLT on

m-dot: Not giving his marriage a “fair shot”? Weren’t He and Jen together for 7 years? I think he gave it plenty of a fair shot. In fact, I think he showed great restraint in dealing with a woman that is rumored to be as difficult as JEN is (not Rachel Green).

NLT on

In other Angelina Jolie news:

Session Three: The Darfur Case
4:00 to 5:15 p.m. (ET)

Introductory Remarks: Angelina Jolie, Goodwill Ambassador, United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees; Co-chair, Jolie-Pitt Foundation
Keynote Speaker: Luis Moreno-Ocampo, Prosecutor, International Criminal Court
Presider: Nicholas D. Kristof, Columnist, New York Times

This webcast is part of the CFR Symposium on International Law and Justice, which is made possible through the generous support of the Jolie-Pitt Foundation.

Lucy on

Brad Pitt V Magazine
BRAD TO THE BONE Christoper Bollen

Brad Pitt You know, there is one other thing I’d like to say about it, because Jen and I still maintain a deep friendship and have a lot of life together that isn’t erased in any way. Thinking back to that time, the entertainment media was speculating on things very early on. And the most important thing about that time was for Jen and me to figure out if-how do I put it?-if we didn’t want to go on without any outside influence. Is this where we got off? Have we taken this as far as we wanted to?

Lucy on

Mr. & Mrs. Smith took place in 2 stages – Jan to early May 2004 and August to early October 2004. Pitt went to Europe in June & July 2004 to shoot Oceans 12. There were also reshoots in February and March 2005, but not in May 2005 as someone above stated. Pitt was in Morocco in May 2005 filming “Babel”. I know he’s a god, but even he can’t be in two places at once.

Pitt and Aniston split in January 2005. Pitt and Jolie were re-united on the set of M&MS in late February to early March 2005. Call me crazy, but I think “reshoots” classifies as part of the movie-making process. Therefore, them falling in love during reshoots would be falling in love while making a movie. Which negates enthusiasm for her “admission” because Pitt was legally separated, and therefore a free man, at the time of the reshoots.

GG on

While yes, I would be extremely hurt and devestated if my husband had an affair (physical or emotional) at work, on another life, it would be life and honestly, it would tell me that our relationship was not as strong as I had once thought it was.

I am not justifying what did or did not happen while Brad was still married but at the end of the day, if his marriage were strong, I don’t think he would have ended up with Angelina. It is what it is.

CelebBabyLover on

NLT- They were indeed together for 7 years (although they were married for only four of them, not counting the year they divorced).

Also, as other commentors have said, if you do a little digging and go back to interviews Brad and Jen did right before Mr. and Mrs. Smith began shooting, it’s obvious that the marriage was already on the rocks when Angie came along.

In fact, I remember someone saying in another Angie/Brad topic (I believe it was an interview that Angie gave last year) that you could tell Brad and Jen’s marriage was in trouble for the last 18 months to two years of it!

In otherwords, as some other commentors have said, the split was probably inevitable whether or not Angie had come along.

LanLan on

NLT and Ana –
Angelina said HERSELF said that they “fell in love” while they were filming – if that’s not confirmation of cheating, I don’t know what is. Adultery of the heart is still adultery. In the Jen Vanity Fair interview it was said that he emotionally cut off from their marriage while he was filming this movie which shows this is when the cheating began. Jen wanted to work on their problems while they were married but it was Brad who wanted to ‘figure out’ his life without the marriage. This happened whilst he was filming – coincidence? (I think not).
Yes, it did happen years ago and they have kids now but it still doesn’t erase the fact that she effectively helped break up a marriage. Some posters on here are saying that if this didn’t happen then all these kids wouldn’t be here, well if Jen + Brad were still married, Brad himself said they were planning to have a child after ‘Friends’ ended. If we look at this the same way, this means Angelina coming along sadly stopped any possiblity of this happening.
By doing simple math we can work out that Shiloh was conceived before the divorce was even final and they obviously had been having a sexual relationship prior which would have been barely after the divorce papers had been filed (if that).

I don’t understand some of this hard-heartedness towards Jen, if Brad and Angelina’s relationship got on the rocks and Brad ‘fell in love’ with another woman whle filming I bet some people here would be a lot more sympathetic towards Angelina.

LanLan on

Even though he was legally separated from Jen, they were still MARRIED. So, as other posters have said she still would be having an affair with a MARRIED man.

NLT on


If they were planning to have a baby after Frineds ended, then why did Jen sign up for 4 movies back-to-back before Friends has its finale?

She had no intention of having kids, and IMO, was just stringing Brad along for as long as possible. Look how long it worked! Both Courtney Cox and Lisa Kudrow managed to have kids while being on Friends, but Jen could not?

IMO, I think Brad just came to realize that she was lying to him, and reflected on his life and realized there was so much more to it than the one they were living. Even Jen said they were headed in “two different directions”.

Anyway, I really can’t believe we’re discussing this again as if it was 2005. This is almost 2009, and I don’t care how they got together; just as I don’t care how Paul Newman and Joanne Woodard got together, nor Tom Hanks and Rita Wilson, nor Elizabeth Taylor and Eddie Fisher, nor J-Lo and Marc Anthony.

Time to move on.

CelebBabyLover on

NLT- Once again, I completely agree with your comment! That being said, while I don’t agree with a lot of what LanLan and others have said, I have come to understand why they made the comments they did.

I think this is such a sensitive issue because, what it really all comes down to is:

1. What do you define as “cheating”.


2. When exactly do you consider a marriage to be “over”?

People define those two things in many different ways. Some people, for example, define cheating as being any kind of “affair”, whether physical or, as some commentors have put it, an “affair of the heart”.

Other people define cheating as any kind of physical affair. To complicate matters further, many people have differing opinions on what constitutes emotional cheating.

As far as when a marriage is over…Some people believe it’s when the ink is dry on the divorce papers (and most of those people think that, even then, the exes should wait awhile before moving on with anyone else). Others consider a marriage to be over once the partners have legally seperated.

Basically, how people percieves Brad and Angie’s coming together is their beliefs about what constitutes cheating and when a marriage is over.

I also want to add that, if we’re going to accuse Brad of adultery, then we should be accusing Jen of it as well. Remember, she hopped into bed with Vince long before the ink was dry on the divorce papers.

Anyway, the fact of the matter is, how Angie and Brad got together and if/what kind of cheating went on is probably something people will never agree about it.

In this case, I think it’s high time we simply agree to disagree and leave it at that!

CelebBabyLover on

Whoops! Naturally I meant: “How people precieve Brad and Angie’s coming together…NOT precieves! I probably should have double-checked for grammar and spelling errors before posting!

Di on

Angelina’s statement about wanting her children see the film where the parents fell in love is nice except for the fact that Brad was still married to someone else at the time. I sincerely hope that those children never find out the real story behind how and when their parents met.
Look, no one knows what really happened on the movie set. In fact, Jen does not even know. All Jen knows is what Brad told her which is that nothing happened i.e, no affair.
In my opinion, something happened on the set. If a marriage is on the brink, you separate and divorce but you do not cheat and have an affair.

I must echo an earlier post- I do not think it is appropriate for a married man to open up his heart and build a deep friendship with a woman who is not his wife especially if that woman is single and very attractive. You are asking for trouble if you do.

NLT on

I have no problems with that, Di. My problem is that it’s unproductive to keep on harping on something that is in the past.

And, no matter what others may think about it, to these two (Brad & Angie), they story is different. They liked alot about each other and fell in like, then love. To them, it’s all good. And, I don’t think they regret it. So, in their minds, they tried to be very sensitive to Jen in the beginning, but they no longer need to.

What others think, really doesn’t count.

CelebBabyLover on

NlT- For the third time, right on! I’m sure Mad, Pax, Zee Zee, Shi, Knox, Viv, and any other children Angie and Brad have WILL someday hear the story of how their parents fell in love (Angie and Brad, especially Angie, just don’t seem to be the type of people who would hide something like that from their parents).

However, as long as they don’t get hold of some of the tabloids, the story they hear will be the REAL one, the one that only Angie and Brad really know. Therefore, they will probably precieve it a lot differently than the media and a lot of the general public do.

Anyway, I also agree with NLT’s comment about Angie and Brad being sensitive to Jen in the beginning. In fact, I actually think they’ve done a very good job of being respectful of Jen and her feelings.

As we all know, Angie and Brad didn’t talk about how they came together for the first few years after Brad and Jen’s divorce (heck, they didn’t even confirm they were a couple. In essence, it was Shiloh who did that! :)).

In fact, it wasn’t until early last year that they started talking about (other than to deny that they had an affair, that is) it, and it’s only now that they are starting to be open about saying point-blank that MMS is the film where they fell in love.

I really think a lot of their being relatively quiet about the beginning of their relationship for so long was out of respect to Jennifer (especially considering that Angie is normally nothing but honest in her interviews and tends to talk about just about everything in them!).

All of that said, from what Angie and Brad have said, it sounds like what happened first is that they formed a friendship (not even neccesarily a deep one at first, but just a friendship).

The fact of the matter is, it’s hard, if not impossible (even for Angie and Brad, as shocking as that may sound! LOL!) to know whether a friendship is going to develope into something more. Feelings are weird that way!

Basically, what’s meant to be will be.🙂

CelebBabyLover on

Whoops! Obviously I meant that Angie and Brad wouldn’t hide something like that from their kids, NOT from their parents! Somehow I doubt they’d have much need to discuss the intimite details of their relationship (including how it started) with their parents (especially considering Angie is estranged from her father, who’s her only living parent)! LOL!

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